laficion Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 This cigar was given to me by a friend who's gandfather passed away more them 20 years ago. He gave me this cigar and asked me to drop over his house next weekend to check out some 250 boxes that his gandfather had recieved as gifts but who was not a cigar smoker . I Hope to find some real old cigars. My friend said that This SOLOMONES must date from the late 40's but I couldn't find anything on this brand or the cigar . I must also say that they are in pretty poor shape since they have never been in a Humidor but rather in a room and on top of a furniture. Can anyone help out ?? Thanks for all your help in advance
KB24 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 No help on the cigar but what a day that will be. Have fun! -Patrick
Taino Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 can you take a good close up of the band? specially the armorial bearings or coat of arms... looks familiar...
Van55 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I seem to have misplaced my copy of Perelman's Cyclopedia of Cuban Cigars. I believe that it contains a list of pre-Embargo Cuban cigar brands. If someone has a copy and I am right, they might be able to provide information on a "Ne Plus Ultra" brand. Wish I could help.
Van55 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I did find this bit on the Perelman Cyclopedia on-line: Fonseca also made "clear Havana" cigars (with all Cuban tobacco) in the U.S. and took advantage of having cigars with the same brand name as one of the world's most famous Port wines. In the 1920s, U.S.-made Fonseca cigars were marketed in metal cases shaped like wine bottles! The top and neck of the bottle lifted off to reveal the cigars in the bottom. The label on the back of a "bottle" of 25 Non Plus Ultra No. 1 cigars from 1929 states "Our specialty is our wrapping paper De Luxe, each cigar is wrapped in Japanese tissue paper and tinfoil; this wrapping insures a sanitary cigar - in which the contact by hand is eliminated - keeps them fresh, retains their aroma and prevents breakage. On the outside wrapper can be printed Monograms, Trade Marks, Photographs, Club Flags or any other inscription desired." The Delicias shape has been alternately handmade and machine-made in the past. Prior to 2000, this shape was also available in a machine-bunched and hand-finished style. The fact that your cigar isn't wrapped in the Fonseca tissue suggests that it isn't the "Non Plus Ultra" Fonseca that the quote mentions.
jeromeroselli Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Can't imagine that a cigar in the wild for almost 70 years will ever be smokable... It's a very interesting keepsake though. Maybe if you keep it humidified for another 70 years, your great great grand children may one day be able to smoke a 140 year old cigar. Keep that thought in mind.... Lol
Van55 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Perelman's does NOT list "Non Plus Ultra" among the 840 pre-embargo Cuban brands.
laficion Posted June 25, 2009 Author Posted June 25, 2009 can you take a good close up of the band? specially the armorial bearings or coat of arms... looks familiar... Here are the sides, Tanio
Colt45 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 specially the armorial bearings or coat of arms... looks familiar... Yes, the coat of arms resembles that of today's Saint Luis Rey. P.S. and the Ramon Allones coat of arms, and kind of the Punch.......
cigarros Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Hi Guy! I collect many years pre-revolution anillos. In my collection there are some anillos with such name. All of them concern to Hoyo de Monterrey brand. You can look at a similar label on my site here (third pick) http://www.cigarros.ru/cigar-culture/16.html For another look - Some days ago Trevor has updated my gallery http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/bands.htm After the death of Jose Gener in 1900 the cigar business falered. The family was concentrating more on the sugar cane plantation business than growing tobacco. In 1931 the brand HdM along with La Escepcion and Jose Gener was sold to the company Fernandez Palicio y Cia. (Min Ron Nee Encyclopaedia) I am assured it's a brand which belonged HdM - Jose Gener. Non plus Ultra- exclusive line of perfecto shape. I think that it approximately the middle 30-th. Later it was HdM Monterrey (55 x 233 - 9 1\8). Discontinued in the mid 80-th. Later I will look still. I know on 100 % that I have still similar anillos.
Taino Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 ...It seems that you forgot the center pic... the most important one! not sure yet, but I would say that's an old fancy Ramon Allones label... except it doesn't say RA...
Kangaroo495 Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Most definitely Ramon Allones. Can't be anything else.
Fatcigar Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 It is Ramon Allones between the period of 1911-1927.
laficion Posted June 26, 2009 Author Posted June 26, 2009 It is Ramon Allones between the period of 1911-1927. Thanks a lot guys, great job of observation. Fatcigar, If I may ask, how did you find those dates ? That means this cigar is over 80 years old ?? Again,Thanks to all
cigarros Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 All day I thought about this cigars. I have seen my collection and have found something. Look at down picks! Do you find difference? Has begun with this anillos Then I have found this one Has compared them and anillos of Guy As a result I am not absolutely assured that it RA. Certainly I can be mistaken
Colt45 Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 As a result I am not absolutely assured that it RA. Certainly I can be mistaken Nice work Dmitri! The plot thickens........ To me the "Star of David" looks like a Masonic symbol, but it's hard to tell.
laficion Posted June 26, 2009 Author Posted June 26, 2009 As a result I am not absolutely assured that it RA. Certainly I can be mistaken Dmitri, you sure have a detailed observation of this band and I congratulate you, fine job. Yes, on your band we can see the RA initials on your band but on my band, there are the two compasses of the freemasons and the rest is exactlly the same, so, what does it mean ? I have no Idea. was this production apart from the rest ? This is indeed a mystery .
cigarros Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Thx! The cigar antiques me always interested, necessary to wait Guy, let he will tell us what is for a symbol Every why has a wherefore))
cigarros Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 You have answered faster, than I have written! In my collection the earliest anilos of RA is dated ~ 1920. Yours one too earlier. What mean mason symbol? I really don't know! It means special release for masons, lol
laficion Posted June 26, 2009 Author Posted June 26, 2009 You have answered faster, than I have written! In my collection the earliest anilos of RA is dated ~ 1920. Yours one too earlier. What mean mason symbol? I really don't know! It means special release for masons, lol This is getting quit interesting, Dmitri, The freemasons are members of a secret society based on mutual aid and are all, in that sense, brothers . this organisation still functions and is quit international. there is still a branch even in Cuba. Their symbol is the compass, one upright and the other half under upside down .
Jesuscookies Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Tom Hanks is gonna jump out of this thread any minute now.
Tampa1257 Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 The symbol is a Square and a Compass, which is a Masonic Symbol. Freemasons are the World's oldest Men's fraternity; while it has secrets, it is not a secret society. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Freemasonry
Taino Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 ...so... Ramon Allones Mason Limited Edition?... I'm pretty much sure is the RA emblem, beyond minor differences from one shield to the other. (If someone here knows something about heraldic, he could back me up on this) Minor differences like the ones that have been shown here are common and widely accepted in bear of arms. It is said that the inscription "non plus ultra" was inscribed in the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar), commanding there was "not more beyond". There are several masonic symbols in the label also, and the inscription "non plus ultra" could be easily related with masonry, as it is said the Pillars of Hercules, were part of the inspiration to create the masonic pillar symbolism. The phrase also appears in several masonic rituals. Having said the latest, I do not know the cigar shown in the pictures, but putting things together and doing a bit of guessing, it could be a limited edition made for a specific Masonic Lodge meeting, by someone in the RA factory, the owners, manager, don't know... just a theory.
cigarros Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 Possibly I will agree with you - Mason Limited Edition? In favour of your version tells individual boxes and massive RG. Cigars for ceremonies, sacraments......... It seem that this cigars for a long time smoking not less then two hours
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