No Burqa For You!

[anacostiakat]

Guy, you are safe for now! No wardrobe changes in the near future!!!

Sarkozy says. . .

[laficion]

I agree with him on that one, PERIOD

And on the other hand, there're will be nothing left to look at sitting in

a sidwalk café.

[anacostiakat]

I agree with him on that one, PERIOD

And on the other hand, there're will be nothing left to look at sitting in

a sidwalk café.

But what about the imagination? Well sometimes the reality does not match up.

[Guest rob]

One another subject... Sarkozy has one beautiful woman at his side.

[sandholm]

Guy, you are safe for now! No wardrobe changes in the near future!!!

Sarkozy says. . .

Just a question, So you think its fine to ban burqas, so then you should have no problem if we start ban shorts, hawaii shirts, hats, flip flops or tobacco products?

Its a fine line, but if you start to ban one thing where do you stop?

I personal believe in a free society where people do there own decisions, and society should provide a safetynet and educate people.

I can agree that there should be regulation to ensure the liberty for young people/kids, example that homeschooling should not be allowed. Health care treatment decisions should not be left to a company, I want my doctor to do that (yes, Switzerland has private health insurance, but they cant deny the basic cover to anyone). On the other hand I am always stunned that people are not more educated so they believe in private health insurance, when it was proven already in 1970 that it cant work (if you dont know this look up The Market for Lemons problem, proven by George Akerlof.) So maybe its not just enough to educate people.

On the other hand I would never consider myself have the right to walk up to a person and say "You are not allowed to wear that Hawaii shirt" or "You have not the right to smoke in your house"

just my thoughts to a very complex problem, but I believe in liberty, freedom and religious freedom (and not only for catholics)

cheers

[maalouly]

Just a question, So you think its fine to ban burqas, so then you should have no problem if we start ban shorts, hawaii shirts, hats, flip flops or tobacco products?

Its a fine line, but if you start to ban one thing where do you stop?

I personal believe in a free society where people do there own decisions, and society should provide a safetynet and educate people.

I can agree that there should be regulation to ensure the liberty for young people/kids, example that homeschooling should not be allowed. Health care treatment decisions should not be left to a company, I want my doctor to do that (yes, Switzerland has private health insurance, but they cant deny the basic cover to anyone). On the other hand I am always stunned that people are not more educated so they believe in private health insurance, when it was proven already in 1970 that it cant work (if you dont know this look up The Market for Lemons problem, proven by George Akerlof.) So maybe its not just enough to educate people.

On the other hand I would never consider myself have the right to walk up to a person and say "You are not allowed to wear that Hawaii shirt" or "You have not the right to smoke in your house"

just my thoughts to a very complex problem, but I believe in liberty, freedom and religious freedom (and not only for catholics)

cheers

I do see your point, but I dont agree. There is a difference between freedom of speech and emposing a religion/culture on a foreign country. For example here in Australia we come from all walks of life, but we all live and obey by our Australian rules we haven't banned the burqa but I personaly think we should, just like if we were to visit Saudi Arabia women must wear a scarf/hijab or for example to drink in Emitrates you must have an allowance card. I dont hear anyone saying anything about their rules but we are quick to jump when we say anything about banning it in our FREE coutnry. Plus I would be surprised if some do wear the Scarf/Hijab for religious belief but there are many more who wear it because they have to. We've all heard stories about women when they jump on an airlplane away from home the scarf comes off.

So really are we the ones being narrow minded or are we trying to help them be open minded?

In Australia we have every religion you can think of and everyone seems to get along just fine, as long as no one try to impose their religion on anyone else and to be honest the only religion that can do so in Australia if any should be Christianity as it is the majority.

[Padrino]

There is a difference between freedom of speech and emposing a religion/culture on a foreign country.

For arguments sake....

Is banning the burqa not imposing one's will on someone else ? by definition freedom is personal liberty, the absence of outward restraints. The act of banning anything is the imposition of a will on a subject, no different from banning a religion or a culture. A ban is still a ban and imposing will is just that, imposing a will. Freedom is lost, no matter what the subject may be.

[smk819]

Don't get me started on the intolerance of Islam, and the demand for special privledges for muslims. In Minniapolis muslim cab drivers will not carry a seeing eye dog, or anyone carring alchol, but they demand and get footbaths to prepare for prayer. Saudi Arabia bans bringing a bible into their country or wearing a cross, or G_d forbid a Star of David. I had better stop now before my blood pressure goes off the chart. I still haven't gotten over Obama bowing to the Saudi king.

[b0rderman]

I don't think you can equate banning burqas with banning Hawaiian shirts. I think a more accurate equation would be America's ban on polygamy...although that is still very inaccurate.

"In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity," Sarkozy said to extended applause at the Chateau of Versailles, southwest of Paris. "The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement..."

I guess freedom was lost in the sense that men in France have lost the freedom to impose a restriction women. Then again, if the woman truely wants to wear the garment, then yes, actual freedom is lost.

[mkz]

If you ask me: Ban ALL religions...

[El Presidente]

Just a question, So you think its fine to ban burqas, so then you should have no problem if we start ban shorts, hawaii shirts, hats, flip flops or tobacco products?

Its a fine line, but if you start to ban one thing where do you stop?

Freedom is a precious commodity. Let your daughter or wife wear Shorts, Hawaii Shirts, Hats and Flip flops in Iran/Iraq/UAE and see how far she gets.

What if you were a Muslim living in UK or France and you forced your wife or daughter to wear a Burqa due to your stricter religious beliefs. Where is the "Freedom" in that?

I am all for religious tolerance (including dress) however I draw the line at aggressive enforcement of a religious norm in an adopted country.

There is plenty of "Grey" in this topic. There are women in France who no doubt wish to wear a Burqa. There are women in France who no doubt are Forced to wear a Burqa.

I know which I consider to be a greater evil.

[Ken Gargett]

If you ask me: Ban ALL religions...

if only we could...

think how many millions of people have died, all in the name of various imaginary friends. greatest plague on the planet.

mind you, at first i thought this thread said 'no burgers' and i was seriously worried.

[El Presidente]

if only we could...

think how many millions of people have died, all in the name of various imaginary friends. greatest plague on the planet.

.....and there goes my Religious market

[Ken Gargett]

.....and there goes my Religious market

first, if you have a religious market then none of them ever met you.

secondly, i was merely agreeing with a previously expressed view.

third, if only...

[Ken Gargett]

.....and there goes my Religious market

for your religious market. i would say, god help me, but the irony might be lost on the fire and brimstone divinities...

Cigarette Smoking and the Bible

Although smoking was unknown during the ages when the Bible was being written, the Bible provides adequate teaching, through principle, about this relatively modern habit.

In I Corinthians 6:19-20, the Apostle Paul wrote to Christians, "Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? For you were bought with a price: Therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit which are God's". Much modern evidence shows smoking to be a health hazard to the extend that each package of cigarettes must, by law, bear this message, "Warning: the Surgeon General has determined that cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health". Obviously, something dangerous to the health cannot possibly enhance, or build up, the body. Smoking is contrary to healthful practices and acts to weaken or destroy the body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Christians do not own their own bodies their bodies are Christ's, bought and paid for by his death. Christians are not free to use their bodies for pleasure and in any way they choose. They are to glorify God in their bodies and since smoking does not glorify God, smokers are in violation of this precept.

In Romans 14:21 and Romans 15:1-2, we are taught not to offend our fellow-Christians and to take care to please our neighbors that they might be saved. While smoking will not be noticed by some and might please a very few, most people will be displeased by it and quite a few will be greatly offended by it. Soul winning is more difficult for smokers. In Philippians 2:3-4, we read ". . - Let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others". In other words, be considerate. Be thoughtful. Smokers cannot be thoughtful when smoking in a non-smokers car, it will be weeks before he will be able to get all the odor from the upholstery.

In a house-, cigarette odor will linger for 2 or 3 days. To non-smokers this is intolerable, to a few individuals smoke from other's cigarettes can produce dangerous toxic reactions. Smoking is against the principles of being careful not to offend and of being considerate.

Smoking is wasteful of time and of money. Christians are to be faithful stewards (Read Matthew 25:14-30), for, like our bodies, our money and our time, are not ours, but Christ's.

Christians also need to come face to face with the shocking realities that while more than 90% of all lung cancer victims are smokers, scientific studies have also shown that smokers have more than three time as many heart attacks as do non-smokers. We can simply find no way by which we can justify the willful destruction of our bodies in such a manner. The Apostle Paul said, "Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are? I Corinthians 3:16-17. Most smokers find quitting difficult. The smoker who loves Christ has good reason to want to quit, and thus the battle is nearly won. Paul wrote in Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". If you are a smoker and wish to quit, pray often for strength. Some smokers can quit easily, while others find it difficult. If you are one of these, endure the discomforts, remembering always that you can do so for your Christ; your agony is small compared to that which He suffered for you. You can quit for Him, for His cause, and for the sake of all those who your smoking might otherwise lose for Christ.

[laficion]

" Dieu est un fumeur de Havane " ( Serge Gainsbourg )

PERIOD