Scientologists: Psychiatrists responsible for the holocaust!

[winelover]

The barmiest thing I read -

Row over scientologist video

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6650545.stm

[CelticBasque]

You're glib, Graham.... you're glib..... :-P :-D

I once read that Psychiatrists are also responsible for Crop Circles, Premature Ejaculation, Male Pattern Baldness, the Easter Bunny, Bud Light, Ford Pintos, Global Warming and the Irish Potato Famine...

Seriously, what nonsense may we expect next time??

[sandholm]

» Seriously, what nonsense may we expect next time??

from the scientologist you never know.. the worst kind of nut cases on the planet, or should we say, worst kind of nut cases that arrived from outer space

[Ethernut]

» » Seriously, what nonsense may we expect next time??

»

» from the scientologist you never know.. the worst kind of nut cases on

» the planet, or should we say, worst kind of nut cases that arrived from

» outer space

[nugget]

How dare you criticize someone else's religion!

Are you so naive that you believe everything you hear on the news!

Also, why criticize something you know nothing about?

By the way Einstein, this is a cigar forum!

Grow up and get with the program!

[El Presidente]

» How dare you criticize someone else's religion!

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» Are you so naive that you believe everything you hear on the news!

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» Also, why criticize something you know nothing about?

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» By the way Einstein, this is a cigar forum!

»

» Grow up and get with the program!

Every religion/cult has the right to be questioned. Mainstream churches are brought into question time and time again and rightly so.

Scientology was borne in rather bizarre circumstances. Members of the religion have said some pretty bizarre things. They have a right to be questioned and brought to account. Again, other religions are guilty of the same and also should be brought to account. Many have.

This is a cigar board. However we also discuss matters of interest in our lives. As long as discussions of religion/cults is not personal (against members) I have no problem with it. This is in the hope that discussion leads to greater understanding.

[nugget]

Your right Rob.

I find many other topics that get brought up on the forum very interesting.

Everyone does have the right to there voice.

I'm not even a Scientologist.

Scientology has however helped some people very close to me.

Scientology is a good thing and Psychiatry should be banished.

People should look at history and really compare the two?

[Ben]

Hail Xenu!

[El Presidente]

Nugget.

"A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, "Project Psychiatry"

Ron hubbard was a loon, a convicted felon, a personal war history fabricator and the instigator of one of the most insidious cults in mainstram operation. However, anyone can believe whatever the hell they want to as long as that belief does not impinge upon the rights of others and that there is freedom of movement and association within members of that organisiation. Including freedom to leave without harrasment.

"This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966

"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."

- L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

"I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is."

- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

[Ken Gargett]

» Hail Xenu!

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»

love it!

we've all trashed forum rule 4 (it isn't my fault that i have a compulsion to address rob's fishing deficiencies, not that i haven't tried) so why stop now.

for the record, i think scientologists are complete crackpots, perhaps only marginally saner than the looney tunes advocating "intelligent" design, the greatest misnomer in history.

that said, i think all the religious, no matter how well meaning, have a screw loose. i accept that pretty much all religions have aspects that are admirable and help people through life but i fail to see why people need religion as an excuse to do good. there are a great many people out there doing fantastic things for their fellow man and not using religion as a reason/excuse/crutch.

apologies for sitting on the fence on this.

[El Presidente]

In 1969 the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) was formed as an arm of Scientology to expose what Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard considered the evils of psychiatry. Hubbard hadn’t always opposed psychiatry; he had sought psychiatric help himself and had initially promoted Dianetics as a mental health treatment. But Dianetics was rejected by the psychiatric community, and Hubbard became increasingly bitter toward the profession.

By 1955 Hubbard was vowing that his theories would supplant psychiatry:

"We are not even vaguely propitiative toward medicine or psychiatry, and we are overtly intent upon assimilating every function they are now performing."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin no. 53, 27 May 1955, "Ownership"

Hubbard claimed that psychiatry was responsible for all of society’s ills, and by 1964 he was accusing psychiatrists of being murderers:

"Psychiatrists...murdered several million people - so it's no light matter...33 1/3 percent of all psycho-analytic patients are said to have committed suicide in their first three months of treatment."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 11 December 1964, "Processes"

By 1966 he was accusing psychiatrists of sexual deviancy and rape:

"A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder... We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one... This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, "Project Psychiatry"

In 1970 Hubbard blamed the Holocaust on psychiatry:

"Leipzig University's school of psychology and psychiatry opened the door to death camps in Hitler's Germany. Using drugs these men apparently gave Hitler to the world as their puppet."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 26 November 1970, "More Outpoints"

He accused psychiatrists of causing insanity:

"Thus, psychiatry is MAKING insane people."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 16 July 1970, "The Psychiatrist at Work"

He ordered that "we assign any...upset in Scientology to past damage and interference with the person by medicine and psychiatry." (Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 29 June 1971, "CONFIDENTIAL") and called for the complete eradication of the profession:

"’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done be associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 Oct 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words"

Following Hubbard’s death in 1986, the Church of Scientology and the CCHR have continued his campaign to destroy psychiatry:

"Be part of the team that is taking out psychiatry!"

- CCHR mailer 7 December 1993, signed Don Gershbock

"Psychs are the major source of planetary suppression; they and this program must be stopped."

- CCHR mailer 15 Sept. 1993, signed Steve Manuels

"We know psychiatrists create insanity, war and crime."

- CCHR mailer April 1995, signed Jan Eastgate

"...the psych industry has been bleeding the life and sanity from our country."

- CCHR mailer June 1995

"It is obvious that psychiatry as an industry has fully infested English-speaking countries and a good portion of the rest of the world...We need to exploit the lawsuits and all psychiatric criminality to maximum advantage...making psychiatry the most unpopular and ridiculed group of the day."

- CCHR newsletter copyright 2000

"The time to put an end to psychiatry and its criminal practices is NOW!"

- CCHR mailer, copyright 1998

"Get rid of the psychs! That is just what CCHR is doing."

- CCHR mailer "Stop Psych Experiments on schoolchildren!" copyright 1997

"Psych Buster t-shirts with the infamous ‘Psychiatry Kills’ message written clearly for all psychs to see are available from the Office of Special Affairs for $10.00. Send your size and check to the address listed below."

- OSA Newsletter, July 9, 1986 (the OSA is the Church of Scientology’s own investigative and security agency)

The CCHR’s anti-psychiatry efforts are international in scope, as CCHR units operate under Scientology's umbrella throughout the world. Though overstating its successes, the CCHR has had some impact on the psychiatric profession, occasionally exposing instances of substandard care or outright abuse. It has been somewhat more successful in warning people off psychotropic drugs, particularly antidepressants, which have been the targets of highly publicized CCHR attacks. Its campaign against Prozac in the early 1990s helped spur damage suits against Eli Lilly and prescribing psychiatrists, and some patients became so convinced of Prozac’s alleged dangers that they stopped taking their medication. A Harvard psychiatry professor concluded that "the public's fear of Prozac as a result of this campaign has itself become a potentially serious public health problem as people stay away from treatment." (1)

Church of Scientology members are now required to sign release forms pledging to forgo psychiatric treatment and absolving the church of any responsibility for harm resulting from the lack of such treatment. (2)

Some people think that psychotropic drugs are over-prescribed today. Maybe you think so, too. However, the CCHR’s anti-psychiatry message is spread widely and may well persuade people who genuinely need medical help to stop listening to their doctors or stop taking prescribed medications, even though the CCHR has no medical standing to support its claims. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights attacks an entire profession with unsubstantiated allegations and is busy in Washington with Scientology’s celebrity spokespeople, promoting anti-psychiatry legislation and policies.

A partial list of other groups allied with, supported by and/or operated by the Church of Scientology can be found online at: http://tinyurl.com/2gmhw and http://tinyurl.com/3ggpt

NOTES:

1. Stephen A. Kent, "The Globalization of Scientology: Influence, Control and Opposition in Transnational Markets." RELIGION, Vol. 29, April 1999, pp. 147-169. http://tinyurl.com/3b4hm

2. The Church of Scientology’s release of liability agreement. http://tinyurl.com/35lws

[El Presidente]

Happy for any cigar smoking member Scientologists to clarify.

While it may appear that we have stacked the wood and pouring petrol for a good old fashioned witch burning..........we are not ;-)

[Ken Gargett]

» Happy for any cigar smoking member Scientologists to clarify.

»

» While it may appear that we have stacked the wood and pouring petrol for a

» good old fashioned witch burning..........we are not ;-)

i have matches.

[smokum]

Strange bastards...

[Tampa1257]

I happen to live in an area that has a high concentration of Scientologist as they have their Headquarters based in Clearwater Florida. Having dealt with them on a personal and professional basis, individuals that belong are absolutely hoodwinked into their cult. Scientology is so far away from being a Religion it is hypocritical to even attempt to compare the two identities IMHO. They certainly are weird and can jump on their own spaceship and travel to whatever planet they want to return to because Earth is certainly not where they came from.

[El Presidente]

I like to think FOH is like an online Bar where mates can discuss different viewpoints openly and forcefully without themselves being attacked personally. I love open debate where opinions are cross examined and hopefully where points of view are presented in a manner which has one questioning the opinion he or she holds.

Of course...this takes mature and intelligent people with a sense of humour....whichis what this family is renowned for

[Ken Gargett]

» I like to think FOH is like an online Bar where mates can discuss different

» viewpoints openly and forcefully without themselves being attacked

» personally. I love open debate where opinions are cross examined and

» hopefully where points of view are presented in a manner which has one

» questioning the opinion he or she holds.

»

» Of course...this takes mature and intelligent people with a sense of

» humour....whichis what this family is renowned for

matches at the ready, el prez. just say when.

[El Presidente]

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» matches at the ready, el prez. just say when.

You're a big help Ken

[Ken Gargett]

» »

» » matches at the ready, el prez. just say when.

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»

» You're a big help Ken

so that's a go?

[Ben]

They've despatched Chief Thetan Hunter XIO to fix you lot..

Be warned.

[wdh]

» Of course...this takes mature and intelligent people with a sense of

» humour....whichis what this family is renowned for

Thanks guys....best dustup I've witnessed in my short time as a member. Although really Ken, I do wish you would get off the fence and tell us how you really feel....

[shrink]

Does anybody know if it's safe to come out again?

[zuma]

» Does anybody know if it's safe to come out again?

If in doubt, please make sure that you book yourself into an Introspection Rundown session

After, you may realise the value of deleting this whole thread.

and sing along:

"Come on people now, smile on your brother and

everybody get together, try to love one another right now"

When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions

Gotta find a way, to find a way, when I'm here

Gotta find a way - a better way - I had better wait

Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman (x2)

Gotta find a way, to find a way, when I'm here

Gotta find a way - a better way - I had better wait

'Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you' (x4)

Gotta find a way, to find a way, when I'm here

Gotta find a way - a better way - I had better wait"

(from "Territorial Pissings" - Nirvana)

[Ken Gargett]

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» Thanks guys....best dustup I've witnessed in my short time as a

» member. Although really Ken, I do wish you would get off the fence and

» tell us how you really feel....

i'm ready to go! just gotta convince the prez to let me off the leash.

i should not bag religion. it helped me out when i was at uni. if you are ever hitching anywhere, dress like a priest. drivers will pull over immediately and take you anywhere. on the other hand, avoid train travel in that get-up. people just want to confess, though the girls running the food cart do refuse to take money.

who knew the lurks? (and i don't mean the catholic ones involving kindergartens).

[El Presidente]

» i'm ready to go! just gotta convince the prez to let me off the leash.

» i should not bag religion. it helped me out when i was at uni. if you are

» ever hitching anywhere, dress like a priest. drivers will pull over

» immediately and take you anywhere. on the other hand, avoid train travel

» in that get-up. people just want to confess, though the girls running the

» food cart do refuse to take money.

» who knew the lurks? (and i don't mean the catholic ones involving

» kindergartens).

You are a quality individual Ken

We missed you today Shrink ;-)