log1k Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 In lieu of my recent CoRo disappointment I decided to post other pictures..... So what's the verdict ?
Jimmy2 Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Cohiba Sublimes look real the bands do at least..
smokum Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Did the Party SD 3's come from Mexico ? I bought a 1/2 box from a bud in San Diego in 2002...date stamps have no box around them and they are ECA on top with FEB.02 underneath. They were horrible then...I still have a few and they are horrible now. I usually light one and throw it out every 6 months just to make sure I remember not to ever buy cigars from Mexico or anyone else I can't trust.
log1k Posted January 22, 2007 Author Posted January 22, 2007 » Did the Party SD 3's come from Mexico ? I bought a 1/2 box from a bud in » San Diego in 2002...date stamps have no box around them and they are ECA » on top with FEB.02 underneath. They were horrible then...I still have a » few and they are horrible now. I usually light one and throw it out every » 6 months just to make sure I remember not to ever buy cigars from Mexico » or anyone else I can't trust. No they weren't, and these are far from horrible.
Mike33 Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Where is the Habanos sticker at the top right of the box, did you peel it off already?
El Presidente Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 From a cursory look, everything (cigars) looks fine to me. By that I mean that they are the same or similar to the hundreds/thousands I have seen. The first CORO pic in your other thread really made me look twice. The wrapper, the bunching of the filler and the ash looked way way off.
log1k Posted January 22, 2007 Author Posted January 22, 2007 » From a cursory look, everything (cigars) looks fine to me. By that I mean » that they are the same or similar to the hundreds/thousands I have seen. » » The first CORO pic in your other thread really made me look twice. The » wrapper, the bunching of the filler and the ash looked way way off. How about the PSD box Pres ? I bought it from some that had opened it already, someone I trusted
Ginseng Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 » In lieu of my recent CoRo disappointment I decided to post other » pictures..... » » So what's the verdict ? Log, The pictures do not provide any compelling evidence suggesting the probability that they are counterfeit. However, if you do not implicity trust your source, the possibility exists, however small. It is impossible to confirm that they are authentic from just photos. Wilkey
CoryOllis Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 » » In lieu of my recent CoRo disappointment I decided to post other » » pictures..... » » » » So what's the verdict ? » Log, » » The pictures do not provide any compelling evidence suggesting the » probability that they are counterfeit. However, if you do not implicity » trust your source, the possibility exists, however small. » » It is impossible to confirm that they are authentic from just photos. » » Wilkey What he said. Except the typo, of course. :-P First off I better mention that I have just started down the Yellow Brick Road and speak only from this limited perspective. I just don't want to misrepresent myself as more than I am. But from this limited POV: The Monte torp on the left(second from top) is one of the few I can barely see the band. It MAY be the old, 1970s era fleur-de-lis; but, it's hard to be sure from that photo. If you're curious you could post a better picture of that Monte torp band so we could take a peek. But what Wilkey said is oh-so-true. And even with a trusted source I'm sure it's impossible to tell 100% for sure. A friend who has 25 yrs experience said he even had a fake that tasted BETTER than the real one. :-D
Tampa1257 Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 While it is hard to make any sort of claim one way or another from the photo, I do have one comment about the bottom Cohiba on the left side of the photo. It looks to me from the photo that it is either missing the triple cap or there just isn't one on the cigar. One thing that the Cohiba's should have is a triple cap.
habanohal Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 I dont like the way that date code is stamped. I will not try new vendors anymore, for alot of fake boxes had that same kind of code on them.
Professor Twain Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 We just had a thread about El Principes from 2001 that had a similar box code stamp, EAR-NOV 01 inside of a box, and the consensus was that they looked fine. Not sure whether these Partagas ought to come from the same factory as San Cristobal.
avid toker Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Like others said, hard to tell from just pics. But those are some dark Monte #2's......might want to get some close up snaps of the Monte #2's and correlating boxes if you still have them. And what's in the partagas box?
Ginseng Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 » Some Closer Pics of the PSd3 1. Where did the guy you bought the box from get it? 2. Is the EL band embossed? 3. Where are the "Habanos" and "Edición Limitada 2001" stickers that are supposed to be on the upper right of the package? Wilkey
log1k Posted January 23, 2007 Author Posted January 23, 2007 » » Some Closer Pics of the PSd3 » » 1. Where did the guy you bought the box from get it? » » 2. Is the EL band embossed? » » 3. Where are the "Habanos" and "Edición Limitada 2001" stickers that are » supposed to be on the upper right of the package? » » Wilkey According to my source they get stuff directly inside Cuba....el band is not embossed....as to the stickers missing the guy on duty had no answer....I will talk to the owner later today.
Ginseng Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 » » » Some Closer Pics of the PSd3 » » » » 1. Where did the guy you bought the box from get it? » » » » 2. Is the EL band embossed? » » » » 3. Where are the "Habanos" and "Edición Limitada 2001" stickers that » are » » supposed to be on the upper right of the package? » » » » Wilkey » » According to my source they get stuff directly inside Cuba....yes the el » band is embossed....as to the stickers missing the guy on duty had no » answer....I will talk to the owner later today. If it came from the island, meaning not for export, it should have the serialized holgram on the lower right front of the lid. If the band is embossed, that's a problem. I believe the original release of these had the same EL bands as the very first (2000) EL release, not embossed. I will check when I get home. Wilkey
log1k Posted January 23, 2007 Author Posted January 23, 2007 » » » » Some Closer Pics of the PSd3 » » » » » » 1. Where did the guy you bought the box from get it? » » » » » » 2. Is the EL band embossed? » » » » » » 3. Where are the "Habanos" and "Edición Limitada 2001" stickers that » » are » » » supposed to be on the upper right of the package? » » » » » » Wilkey » » » » According to my source they get stuff directly inside Cuba....yes the » el » » band is embossed....as to the stickers missing the guy on duty had no » » answer....I will talk to the owner later today. » If it came from the island, meaning not for export, it should have the » serialized holgram on the lower right front of the lid. If the band is » embossed, that's a problem. I believe the original release of these had » the same EL bands as the very first (2000) EL release, not embossed. I » will check when I get home. » » Wilkey I made a mistake and corrected my post it is NOT embossed...
Ginseng Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 » » » » » Some Closer Pics of the PSd3 » » » » » » » » 1. Where did the guy you bought the box from get it? » » » » » » » » 2. Is the EL band embossed? » » » » » » » » 3. Where are the "Habanos" and "Edición Limitada 2001" stickers » that » » » are » » » » supposed to be on the upper right of the package? » » » » » » » » Wilkey » » » » » » According to my source they get stuff directly inside Cuba....yes the » » el » » » band is embossed....as to the stickers missing the guy on duty had no » » » answer....I will talk to the owner later today. » » If it came from the island, meaning not for export, it should have the » » serialized holgram on the lower right front of the lid. If the band is » » embossed, that's a problem. I believe the original release of these had » » the same EL bands as the very first (2000) EL release, not embossed. I » » will check when I get home. » » » » Wilkey » » » I made a mistake and corrected my post it is NOT embossed... Well, that news is less bad. But what you've revealed of the source still gives me reason for concern. BTW, I would love to acquire specimens of any counterfeits you might have for the new online counterfeit resource I'm working on. Wilkey
log1k Posted January 23, 2007 Author Posted January 23, 2007 LOL seems like I may have plenty to give you lol...Are the EL bands usually not embossed ?
gersonmorelli Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 Are these boxes shown in the pics from the PSD3 EL 01? Now, I know sometimes they extend the production of EL until the first couple of months of the following year. Correct me if I am wrong but is this box dated Nov-02 on a 01 EL?
Ginseng Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 » LOL seems like I may have plenty to give you lol...Are the EL bands usually » not embossed ? The EL bands for 2000 and 2001 were not embossed. I think, but am not sure, that embossed bands came after the issues for these two years. I don't have any ELs after 2001 and prior to 2004 so I can't say for sure. Wilkey
log1k Posted January 23, 2007 Author Posted January 23, 2007 » » LOL seems like I may have plenty to give you lol...Are the EL bands » usually » » not embossed ? » » The EL bands for 2000 and 2001 were not embossed. I think, but am not » sure, that embossed bands came after the issues for these two years. I » don't have any ELs after 2001 and prior to 2004 so I can't say for sure. » » Wilkey I don't know what to think......are you sure all EL bands are embossed now ?
Ginseng Posted January 23, 2007 Posted January 23, 2007 » » » LOL seems like I may have plenty to give you lol...Are the EL bands » » usually not embossed ? » » The EL bands for 2000 and 2001 were not embossed. I think, but am not » » sure, that embossed bands came after the issues for these two years. I » » don't have any ELs after 2001 and prior to 2004 so I can't say for sure. » » » » Wilkey » I don't know what to think......are you sure all EL bands are embossed now? I'm quite sure. Here is a picture of the PSD3 (01) and PSD1 (04) side by side with low angle illumination to highlight the embossing on the PSD1 "EL" band. You can see that the PSD3's "EL" band is flat printed. Wilkey
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