EAR: What are the earliest known mentions/recordings of known historical figures smoking a cigar?

[El Presidente]

EAR =  Email Assistance Required. 

 

Q. "Hi  Rob, I am sure you will know this but what are the earliest mentions/recordings that reference/report known historical figures smoking cigars?"

 

A. .....Rob has no idea and hopes members here might 

 

[anacostiakat]

There has been indications that Pope Alexander VI (1492 Borgia Pope) smoked cigars.  Not sure of the background but it was included in the tv series.

[Bijan]

  On 6/27/2022 at 12:48 PM, anacostiakat said:

There has been indications that Pope Alexander VI (1492 Borgia Pope) smoked cigars.  Not sure of the background but it was included in the tv series.

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That would be very odd. He was pope from 1492 and died in 1503. So that's only 11 years after the European discovery of the Americas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI

Keep in mind that cigars as we know them now are not how tobacco was originally smoked.

According to Wikipedia the Spanish introduced tobacco to Europe in 1528.

The first cigar factory was established in Cuba in 1542.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar

[Fuzz]

Would not the members of Columbus' expedition be the first European historical figures to smoke cigars? Rodrigo de Jerez and Luis de Torres were noted as being observed smoking tobacco on the journey back to Europe, and de Jerez is typically credited as the first European to smoke tobacco.

[Ford2112]

Marco Polo. wait...

[Bijan]

  On 6/27/2022 at 3:15 PM, Fuzz said:

Would not the members of Columbus' expedition be the first European historical figures to smoke cigars? Rodrigo de Jerez and Luis de Torres were noted as being observed smoking tobacco on the journey back to Europe, and de Jerez is typically credited as the first European to smoke tobacco.

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I think the modern cigar, with wrapper, binder, filler, and 100% tobacco was a European innovation. I could be wrong but weren't the native/indigenous cigars without the tabacco wrapper we have today, they were just bundles of leaves wrapped with string or in a tube, etc.

[Kitchen]

  On 6/27/2022 at 3:15 PM, Fuzz said:

Would not the members of Columbus' expedition be the first European historical figures to smoke cigars? Rodrigo de Jerez and Luis de Torres were noted as being observed smoking tobacco on the journey back to Europe, and de Jerez is typically credited as the first European to smoke tobacco.

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Less not forget that Rodrigo de Jerez was convicted of being possessed by the devil, for only the devil could give the power to man to breath smoke, and put in jail for a time. 

To think, it only took us 5 centuries to come full circle too.  

[Ford2112]

  On 6/27/2022 at 6:25 PM, Kitchen said:

Less not forget that Rodrigo de Jerez was convicted of being possessed by the devil, for only the devil could give the power to man to breath smoke, and put in jail for a time. 

To think, it only took us 5 centuries to come full circle too.  

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Didn't his wife Rat him out?

[El Presidente]

  On 6/27/2022 at 8:13 PM, Ford2112 said:

Didn't his wife Rat him out?

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Nothing changes 

[Kitchen]

  On 6/27/2022 at 10:41 PM, El Presidente said:

Nothing changes 

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And some things never change. 

[Fuzz]

  On 6/27/2022 at 8:13 PM, Ford2112 said:

Didn't his wife Rat him out?

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He went outside to get away from another of his wife's tirades, "You go off with your mates for 6 months to the New World, and all you brought me back was a bunch of dried leaves?!?!", and made the foolish mistake of smoking in public. Where upon he was ratted out to the Inquisition and imprisoned for 7 years.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

[Ford2112]

  On 6/27/2022 at 11:56 PM, Fuzz said:

 

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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I know that is an actual French saying,but I still read it in Geddy Lee's voice!