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@Habana Mike told me the all time tip during FOH Virtual Herf: "Never puff any Gurkha cigars and avoid'em like a plague." Thank you for sharing dog rocket experience!

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1 hour ago, Connoisseur Kim said:

@Habana Mike told me the all time tip during FOH Virtual Herf: "Never puff any Gurkha cigars and avoid'em like a plague." Thank you for sharing dog rocket experience!

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I tend to agree with @Habana Mike... my experience with Gurkha has been absolutely sub-par, but this one was way better than expected.  I know that for you an 84 point cigar is pretty bad, but on my scale it's somewhere between average and the low-end of good, so keep that in mind.  Some Gurkhas are better than others.  I expected this one to be absolute garbage, but instead it was a decent, if middling, cigar. 

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14 minutes ago, The Squiggler said:

I tend to agree with @Habana Mike... my experience with Gurkha has been absolutely sub-par, but this one was way better than expected.  I know that for you an 84 point cigar is pretty bad, but on my scale it's somewhere between average and the low-end of good, so keep that in mind.  Some Gurkhas are better than others.  I expected this one to be absolute garbage, but instead it was a decent, if middling, cigar. 

Surprised to heart that! Gurkha seems quite popular in my country in these days. I'd pick CCs including CoShorts over any Gurkha cigars IMHO.

Your rating scale seems similar to mine but different. Cigars below 90 are absolute dog rockets or donkey d#%k rockets in my scale (except CoShorts).

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Just now, Connoisseur Kim said:

Surprised to heart that! Gurkha seems quite popular in my country in these days. I'd pick CCs including CoShorts over any Gurkha cigars IMHO. Your rating scale seems similar to mine but different. Mine is every cigars below 90 are absolute dog rockets (except CoShorts).

I probably light up 1 NC for every 5 CCs I smoke these days anyway, so I'm very rarely tempted to take a chance on a brand like Gurkha.  Generally, if a cigar is 90+ for me it is pretty damn good.  Most of the CC boxes I own produce 90+ point cigars (once they have rested/aged properly), but--and this tends to be the case with a lot of CCs in my experience--there also tend to be a handful of poorly constructed cigars in those same boxes that rate much lower.  My NC boxes (the better brands, anyway) tend to be a lot more consistent construction-wise, but somehow I just don't seem to stumble across that mythical, magical smoke nearly as often as I do when I smoke from my CC collection.  I don't think I've ever smoked a 97+ point NC, but I've smoked multiple CCs that rate in that range (though I would never necessarily expect to grab another from the same box and have the same experience).  Anyway, I'm rambling on, but in general my rating scale is as follows: 80 = inoffensive; 85 = not half bad; 90 = great; 95 = amazing; 99 = as close to perfect as possible; 100 = unattainable standard of perfection.  I try not to spend money on anything I expect to rate less than 90, but sometimes, as I'm sure you know, a $30 cigar can be an 85 while a $5 cigar can be a 95... part of what makes the whole hobby so variable and exciting

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13 minutes ago, The Squiggler said:

I probably light up 1 NC for every 5 CCs I smoke these days anyway, so I'm very rarely tempted to take a chance on a brand like Gurkha.  Generally, if a cigar is 90+ for me it is pretty damn good.  Most of the CC boxes I own produce 90+ point cigars (once they have rested/aged properly), but--and this tends to be the case with a lot of CCs in my experience--there also tend to be a handful of poorly constructed cigars in those same boxes that rate much lower.  My NC boxes (the better brands, anyway) tend to be a lot more consistent construction-wise, but somehow I just don't seem to stumble across that mythical, magical smoke nearly as often as I do when I smoke from my CC collection.  I don't think I've ever smoked a 97+ point NC, but I've smoked multiple CCs that rate in that range (though I would never necessarily expect to grab another from the same box and have the same experience).  Anyway, I'm rambling on, but in general my rating scale is as follows: 80 = inoffensive; 85 = not half bad; 90 = great; 95 = amazing; 99 = as close to perfect as possible; 100 = unattainable standard of perfection.  I try not to spend money on anything I expect to rate less than 90, but sometimes, as I'm sure you know, a $30 cigar can be an 85 while a $5 cigar can be a 95... part of what makes the whole hobby so variable and exciting

Thank you for sharing experience! I agree that overpriced cigars can be dog rockets especially Gurkha cigars! Because of this, I really don't understand why some local B&Ms give 95+ points or being more generous for NCs with Top 10 reference from Cigar Aficionado (saw some folk reviewing $1000 Davidoff cigar and simply giving 100 points).

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27 minutes ago, Connoisseur Kim said:

Thank you for sharing experience! I agree that overpriced cigars can be dog rockets especially Gurkha cigars! Because of this, I really don't understand why some local B&Ms give 95+ points or being more generous for NCs with Top 10 reference from Cigar Aficionado (saw some folk reviewing $1000 Davidoff cigar and simply giving 100 points).

One thing to keep in mind is that when B&Ms (or websites, for that matter) reference a Cigar Aficionado score for a cigar, they always quote the highest score that marca/vitola has ever received.  If you go to the CA website, however, there are usually numerous ratings for each cigar (1-2 per year in a lot of cases).  In the case of CCs, the date is marked on each box as standard practice, but for NCs this is typically not the case.  Take the following as an example:  If you walk into your local B&M tomorrow, you might find a box of Oliva V Melanio Figurados with a tag below that says "96 points - Cigar Aficionado".  The 96 score was received in 2016, but the box on hand will likely be from 2019/2020 (a year when C.A. gave those cigars a score of 92).  It's all marketing... and Gurkha is as or more guilty of this type of manipulative marketing than any other cigar brand (I would have to dig for a source, but I've heard many accusations ranging from relatively benign MSRP markups and subsequent discounts to make prices seem like a steal to first production runs of certain cigars being produced in high-end factories to produce high C.A. scores and then those same cigars being kicked down to trash factories for mass production, after which B&M shops can cite the initial scores for sub-par versions of the same cigar).  It all sounds s bit like conspiracy theory but I'd be willing to be there is at least a nugget of truth there

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5 minutes ago, The Squiggler said:

One thing to keep in mind is that when B&Ms (or websites, for that matter) reference a Cigar Aficionado score for a cigar, they always quote the highest score that marca/vitola has ever received.  If you go to the CA website, however, there are usually numerous ratings for each cigar (1-2 per year in a lot of cases).  In the case of CCs, the date is marked on each box as standard practice, but for NCs this is typically not the case.  Take the following as an example:  If you walk into your local B&M tomorrow, you might find a box of Oliva V Melanio Figurados with a tag below that says "96 points - Cigar Aficionado".  The 96 score was received in 2016, but the box on hand will likely be from 2019/2020 (a year when C.A. gave those cigars a score of 92).  It's all marketing... and Gurkha is as or more guilty of this type of manipulative marketing than any other cigar brand (I would have to dig for a source, but I've heard many accusations ranging from relatively benign MSRP markups and subsequent discounts to make prices seem like a steal to first production runs of certain cigars being produced in high-end factories to produce high C.A. scores and then those same cigars being kicked down to trash factories for mass production, after which B&M shops can cite the initial scores for sub-par cigars).  It all sounds s bit like conspiracy theory but I'd be willing to be there is at least a nugget of truth there

Much agreed! Never saw any box codes for NCs unlike Cubans! I also think Top 10 list on cigar magazines are just marketing with sponsors (obviously NC brands). Have you ever seen James Suckling's Havana Insider before? I don't always agree with his top 10 CCs, but seems better than Top 10s from most of cigar magazines IMHO.

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15 hours ago, The Squiggler said:

I tend to agree with @Habana Mike... my experience with Gurkha has been absolutely sub-par, but this one was way better than expected.  I know that for you an 84 point cigar is pretty bad, but on my scale it's somewhere between average and the low-end of good, so keep that in mind.  Some Gurkhas are better than others.  I expected this one to be absolute garbage, but instead it was a decent, if middling, cigar. 

Check out a cigar by Gran Habano, called "The Persian King." An interesting story behind it, not at all flattering to King Gurkha...

A pretty good stick, tho.

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