MoeFOH Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Watched this last night. Remarkable performance. I'm a Greatest Hits type of Springsteen fan, that's about the limit of it... thus far, anyway. But this was a truly wonderful, intimate, musical and conversational set. A great meld of material. Heartfelt stuff. Bloody great show, in my opinion. @Ken Gargett do you have Netflix yet? Time to sign up. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hi now I to watched it last night as well highly enjoyable in a very intimate setting a good insight to the inner workings of the man himself and at times very touching highly recommended 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 really looking forward to seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said: really looking forward to seeing it. You won’t be disappointed Ken ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wineguy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Love his music. I wish he didn't intermingle politics with it, would be so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 a lot about his politics that i have not always agreed with but you cannot divide the two. the politics reflects exactly what he has sung about sent day one. try and take it away and there is no bruce. i have plenty of close mates with whom i am completely at odds at times. i just look at it like this. you are not always going to agree so move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribeye Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Some criticize those artists who don't let their political views be known....... I believe they are the smart ones, casting the widest net for their fans appreciation. Why come out on a particular side and alienate half of your audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Ribeye said: Some criticize those artists who don't let their political views be known....... I believe they are the smart ones, casting the widest net for their fans appreciation. Why come out on a particular side and alienate half of your audience. i understand that some may feel alienated but, if i enjoy the music, i have never let any perceived political leanings bother me too much. either way. ditto writings/books etc. but if it was not great music, terrific stories etc, then i'd have little interest. if nothing else, it is always useful to get a perspective on opposite views, especially when they are told in such a brilliant manner. but if you don't have that political edge (and i do not want to head down the US political black hole - by which i only mean it becomes a black hole on this forum and is wisely if sadly banned), you don't have bruce. i doubt he sees it as coming out and alienating half the audience. he is writing/singing what he is and probably can't do anything else. do you really envisage bruce singing frothy pop? i think if he tried that wide net, he'd lose the edge and the interest. and i doubt he would be at all bothered for an instant if someone didn't like his music because of his message. plenty who strongly disagree with his politics are huge fans. i have heaps of mates who are far more right wing than myself but love him. we have all travelled great distances to see him. they have no issue. a prosecutor mate of mine mocks the lyrics to Johnny 99 but has been to nearly as many bruce concerts as i have. chris christie. no secret what springsteen thinks of his politics and vice versa but christie is well known as a massive fan. he has apparently seen him around 150 times (so envious). not that that makes bruce happy but the difference in politics clearly does not bother the former governor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayepatz Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Great music has always had a political edge. Just read a history of Beethoven’s life. Or Shostakovich. Mozart and Da Ponte attacked the political establishment of their day with every operatic collaboration. And then there’s Wagner. A raging anti-semite who published tracts blaming the Jewish people for all that was wrong with music, yet who somehow contrived to compose some of the most extraordinary music yet conceived by man. Then, decades after he died, he was adopted as the musical poster boy for the Nazis. Was there ever any more political musician than Bob Dylan? Doubtful. There comes a point where you have to separate the man from the music, and judge the music on its own merits. With that in mind, do we disregard all that Bruce has expressed about the plight of the average working man just because he himself has never been one? Of course not. He’s a musician, and speaks his conscience through his music. Had he spent his days working in a steel mill, or down a coal mine, we wouldn’t have The River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, ayepatz said: Great music has always had a political edge. Just read a history of Beethoven’s life. Or Shostakovich. Mozart and Da Ponte attacked the political establishment of their day with every operatic collaboration. And then there’s Wagner. A raging anti-semite who published tracts blaming the Jewish people for all that was wrong with music, yet who somehow contrived to compose some of the most extraordinary music yet conceived by man. Then, decades after he died, he was adopted as the musical poster boy for the Nazis. Was there ever any more political musician than Bob Dylan? Doubtful. There comes a point where you have to separate the man from the music, and judge the music on its own merits. With that in mind, do we disregard all that Bruce has expressed about the plight of the average working man just because he himself has never been one? Of course not. He’s a musician, and speaks his conscience through his music. Had he spent his days working in a steel mill, or down a coal mine, we wouldn’t have The River. dylan was certainly one who sprang to mind. some of the greatest protest songs/political songs, call them what you want. but what is interesting about his bobness, and i say this as a massive fan - 'desire' was one of the very first albums i bought and i still listen to it often and was listening to 'bob at budokan' this morning, which i absolutely love, is that his very early stuff had no political overtones. it seems that when he met suzi rotolo who was extremely left (communist?) and shacked up with her, he went all protest (imagine a bloke doing something or changing his views merely to assist chasing a woman). and remained so but really only for a short period. 1961 to 64. there were plenty of examples over the rest of his career of dipping back into politics but they are far far fewer than most think. also, dylan was never the peace rally activist type. he sang in support of a number of causes over the years but you don't find him speaking to journos or at rallies on any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 hours ago, ayepatz said: And then there’s Wagner. A raging anti-semite who published tracts blaming the Jewish people for all that was wrong with music, yet who somehow contrived to compose some of the most extraordinary music yet conceived by man. Then, decades after he died, he was adopted as the musical poster boy for the Nazis. Was his music anti-semitic? Were Jewish people aware of his anti-semitism fans of his music? (I'm asking because I don't know) Quote There comes a point where you have to separate the man from the music, and judge the music on its own merits. Perhaps, but can one really separate someone like Patti Smith or Public Enemy from their music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayepatz Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Colt45 said: Was his music anti-semitic? Were Jewish people aware of his anti-semitism fans of his music? (I'm asking because I don't know) Perhaps, but can one really separate someone like Patti Smith or Public Enemy from their music? The characters of the dwarves Alberich and Mime in the Ring Cycle, and the Town Clerk Beckmesser in Die Meistersinger are examples of Wagner pouring his scorn for the Jewish people into his operatic creations. Ironically, all that negativity resulted in some of the his best music and most popular roles with the public. He also published essays blaming Jewish composers and artists for all that he considered wrong with music and art. Because of this, his music was held up by the Nazis as the leading example of great German Art, and was played in concentration camps to prisoners going to their deaths. To this day, his music is never performed in Israel, although many Jewish musicians, chief among them the great pianist and conductor Daniel Barenboim, himself an Israeli citizen and a noted Wagnerian specialist, have tried to make Wagner’s music more accepted there. He is probably the most extreme example of separating music and politics dilemma. With regard to the others you mention, perhaps this simply becomes easier with the passage of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, ayepatz said: The characters of the dwarves Alberich and Mime in the Ring Cycle, and the Town Clerk Beckmesser in Die Meistersinger are examples of Wagner pouring his scorn for the Jewish people into his operatic creations. Ironically, all that negativity resulted in some of the his best music and most popular roles with the public. He also published essays blaming Jewish composers and artists for all that he considered wrong with music and art. Because of this, his music was held up by the Nazis as the leading example of great German Art, and was played in concentration camps to prisoners going to their deaths. To this day, his music is never performed in Israel, although many Jewish musicians, chief among them the great pianist and conductor Daniel Barenboim, himself an Israeli citizen and a noted Wagnerian specialist, have tried to make Wagner’s music more accepted there. He is probably the most extreme example of separating music and politics dilemma. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 the clip. so it is basically an update of the show he did about fifteen-twenty years ago. saw it in brizzy. just sits on stage and plays solo guitar and chats. great stuff. really looking forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 and while we are on it... https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/551112185/bruce-springsteen-on-jersey-masculinity-and-wishing-to-be-his-stage-persona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Smokin' Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 just downloading this as we speak. look forward to enjoying this over a nice cigar and scotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Love the slide guitar on born in the USA very bluesy number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, OZCUBAN said: Love the slide guitar on born in the USA very bluesy number born in the USA is an extraordinary song - the original release almost anthemic but when you hear it played with a solo guitar and bruce singing in that almost agonised manner about it, it becomes a completely different song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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