The lingering....C vs NC

[Jimmy_jack]

This isn’t a commentary on quality or one is better than the other (although I do have my preference). 

My wife has said, and I have noticed that there is a lingering from non-Cuban tobacco. A lingering that does not occur with Cuban. 

If I smoke a NC the smell will stay on me and around for a noticeablely longer time than C. Also, I can taste the NC longer. I smoked a Cuban earlier and cannot even tell now. 

Is this our imagination? Is it my genetics? Do you notice this as well?

[PrairieSmoke]

I would say this is true for the most part. However, I’ve found some medium bodied NCs that don’t linger quite as much; stuff from Warped and Illusione, example.


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[Jimmy_jack]

3 minutes ago, PrairieSmoke said:

I would say this is true for the most part. However, I’ve found some medium bodied NCs that don’t linger quite as much; stuff from Warped and Illusione, example.


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Yes, I would agree with this. Any coincidence they’re both mostly from Estelli?

[Fugu]

No reek of NCs lingering here ....

[PrairieSmoke]

Yes, I would agree with this. Any coincidence they’re both mostly from Estelli?

Hadn’t thought about that!


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[Jimmy_jack]

12 minutes ago, FatherOfPugs said:

I agree that the NCs tend to linger, not only with smell, but I've also found that when I get up in the morning, no matter the amount of brushing/mouth rinsing NCs have a lingering aftertaste on the palate that sticks around. CCs, I wake up in the morning and I don't find any lingering aftertaste. CCs just smell better in general IMHO. I've had numerous people comment on how good CCs smell when I smoke them, not so much for NCs. Just my $.02.

Yes...I agree on waking up. Even after my brush and rinse routine it’s there the next day. 

[stogieluver]

Totally agree with this.  Definitely a lingering and aftertaste with NC's you don't get with CC's.  And the smoke does smell better to others.

[PrairieSmoke]

Decided to smoke one of these in the name of science.




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[cfc1016]

My first exposure to cigars was around the age of 9 or 10, when my dad picked up the hobby - strictly locally sourced NCs. He would sit in his rocking chair and either read a book or put on a record and smoke a cigar on a saturday night. I would always take note of which ones I liked the smell of and which I didn't - both at the time of smoking and the next day.

Fast forward to my smoking career. I took that knowledge and applied it to which NCs I was buying. After I got into cubans, I noticed that they pretty much ALL smelled good. There didn't seem to be a 'hangover effect' of smell. It just faded gently and went away. @Ethernut do you have any insight regarding cultivation practices that might lead to a difference in combustion characteristics? Maybe an underlying phenomenon I wouldn't have ever considered?

I offered my cousin a cigar recently and he graciously declined, citing the lingering aftertaste and smell on his skin as a major reason why he so rarely smokes. I wonder if he would notice a difference if he were to smoke a nice cuban...

[WABOOM]

I agree with the OP. I've always thought that. I also feel like I have less cigar breath after cc.

[nc6789]

Wow, very weird that I see this today as I was thinking about this earlier as I smoked my Crowned Heads stick and how the lingering taste was so much different from any CC I’ve smoked recently - definitely much more noticeable (and honestly not an enjoyable difference) I’ve seen between NCs and CCs

[Ethernut]

1 hour ago, cfc1016 said:

My first exposure to cigars was around the age of 9 or 10, when my dad picked up the hobby - strictly locally sourced NCs. He would sit in his rocking chair and either read a book or put on a record and smoke a cigar on a saturday night. I would always take note of which ones I liked the smell of and which I didn't - both at the time of smoking and the next day.

Fast forward to my smoking career. I took that knowledge and applied it to which NCs I was buying. After I got into cubans, I noticed that they pretty much ALL smelled good. There didn't seem to be a 'hangover effect' of smell. It just faded gently and went away. @Ethernut do you have any insight regarding cultivation practices that might lead to a difference in combustion characteristics? Maybe an underlying phenomenon I wouldn't have ever considered?

I offered my cousin a cigar recently and he graciously declined, citing the lingering aftertaste and smell on his skin as a major reason why he so rarely smokes. I wonder if he would notice a difference if he were to smoke a nice cuban...

No special insights on this particular anecdote. The only thing I’ll add is Cuba used no legitimate modern farming techniques. The plants have to struggle and imho that’s the secret to the Cuban tobacco magic.

[Sudzdaddy]

Smoking an '01 Punch Monarch tonight (thanks Phil), watching the Jet/Preds.  Cigar is fantastic, and I only hope I can taste the remnants tomorrow!  Absolutely brilliant, and worth every puff!   

[fabes]

I also concur that NCs just stink and linger. 

In the Cuban realm, I find Upmann to be the most odious and lingering... or so my lady reminds me.  

Perhaps odious is not the correct word, but she can without fail point out when I’ve smoked an Upmann. 

[zeedubbya]

11 hours ago, Ethernut said:

No special insights on this particular anecdote. The only thing I’ll add is Cuba used no legitimate modern farming techniques. The plants have to struggle and imho that’s the secret to the Cuban tobacco magic.

At first I got a good laugh out of this, imagining a poor poor tobacco plant in Cuba trying its hardest against oppression and disease to just make it to the rollers table.  Then it hit me.  Maybe you’re on to something....it’s like natural selection so to speak?

...And maybe this is why Cuban tobacco smells better—because the stronger more fragrant plants survive and the weak smelly ones die.  Maybe the Olivas, Plascencias and Padrón’s should treat their plants a little worse.  Bet you could get Drew Estate to try this experiment. I can see it now—Drew Estate Liga Privada Despair Series, the Dirty Butt and Filthy Hooker.  

[Ethernut]

40 minutes ago, zeedubbya said:

At first I got a good laugh out of this, imagining a poor poor tobacco plant in Cuba trying its hardest against oppression and disease to just make it to the rollers table.  Then it hit me.  Maybe you’re on to something....it’s like natural selection so to speak?

...And maybe this is why Cuban tobacco smells better—because the stronger more fragrant plants survive and the weak smelly ones die.  Maybe the Olivas, Plascencias and Padrón’s should treat their plants a little worse.  Bet you could get Drew Estate to try this experiment. I can see it now—Drew Estate Liga Privada Despair Series, the Dirty Butt and Filthy Hooker.  

...and it’d cost $200/stick because the yield would be so low.. 

 You’ve heard over and over about plants grown from Cuban seed outside of Cuba. I believe the claims to be true. However the soil which, it’s hard to know certain how legitimate that claim is, and the struggle seem to make better tobacco in Cuba.  Seen guys tilling fields with Oxen for chrissake. 

[WABOOM]

My joe-six-pack logic says that theory doesn't make sense. Chile peppers, tomatoes, onions, garlic and marijuana get stronger and more pungent when they are made to struggle.

[Ethernut]

Yet another gent with some firsthand experience..

 

[Ethernut]

4 minutes ago, WABOOM said:

My joe-six-pack logic says that theory doesn't make sense. Chile peppers, tomatoes, onions, garlic and marijuana get stronger and more pungent when they are made to struggle.

You might be right.. But you don’t ferment them into a different version of themselves over a year or more. Truly this is all a lot of speculation. One thing many folks can agree on is Cubas tobacco product is different. Best explaination I’ve ever heard (from a Cuban farmer) was around the struggle. 

[Mossome]

16 hours ago, Jimmy_jack said:

Yes, I would agree with this. Any coincidence they’re both mostly from Estelli?

Yes, but so are DE and JdN. I can’t smoke a stick from either one of those and not still feel like I made out with an ashtray three days later. 

[Cigar Surgeon]

It makes no sense to compare the aromatics from a well fermented Connecticut Broadleaf to a Cuban wrapper. Try comparing an Ecuadorian CT wrapper, or straight CT wrapper instead.

 

[encephalization]

Wrong thread..

[earthson]

Seems strongest with Nicaraguans vs Dominicans (don't know or care about Honduran). Havanas, on the other hand, often leave behind a room smell that I adore. I've found it sticks around about as long (I'm only smoking 2-3 cigars in the house per year because kids), but the Havanas time and again smell better.

While it could have to do with fertilizers or other chems used during production, I have always assumed it had to do with the unique growing conditions in Cuba. Tobacco, more than most other plants and definitely more than any other nightshade, responds dramatically to growing conditions.

[BlackFriar]

I would say different but not necessarily any more pleasant. My wife has a nose that can smell when I am thinking of smoking and has told me some are okay and some have a horrible lingering smell.  That judgement has been passed on many a cc and nc. Being a milder cigar had little to do with her judgement. For what it’s worth I have a beard again and the lingering smells from a few hours after a smoke are just not pleasant. Or maybe I just need a shower!

[Jimmy_jack]

3 hours ago, encephalization said:

Wrong thread..

I was wondering