Trinidad

[kalibratecuba]

Sitting here thinking while smoking a Trinidad Fundadores and drinking rum.

 

Are there any other, non-Trinidads, in production with pigtails?

 

Thanks in advance from my drunk...

 

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[Guest Nekhyludov]

Cohiba Corona Especial

Montecristo Especial 

Montecristo Especial No. 2

All Behikes

I'm sure I'm forgetting some ...

[jerrybrowne]

The Cohiba lancero aka the alter ego of the Fundadores also has pigtails.

[kalibratecuba]

Alcohol brain fog. Lol!
I knew this. I'm going to really struggle when I'm aged.



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[kalibratecuba]

Would love some Montecristo Especial No. 2. Be REALLY great if they showed up on a 24:24.

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[HoyoFan]

Hey guys hope I'm not hijacking the thread but I've never tried a Trinidad. What are the core flavor characteristics? Is it similar to anything else? Thanks!

[Siberian Bear]

5 minutes ago, PadronFan said:

Hey guys hope I'm not hijacking the thread but I've never tried a Trinidad. What are the core flavor characteristics? Is it similar to anything else? Thanks!

IMHO Trinidad is very similar to Cohiba. Trini robusto T reminded me of Siglo VI

Also, I know there is no love for Trini short robusto 2010 LE on this board but I find it one if the best cigars I've ever smoked!

[strikethebox7]

I find trinidad's are super smooth with age. They are full of cream and sweet tea. An aged trinidad robusto extra is by far my favorite. A lot of members on the forum love the colonials for its honey character but I have yet to find it. Always been curious to try a robusto T but they are extremely hard to find. So can't offer much on its flavor profile. Lets bring back the debate about whats better the T-Rex or robusto T. Looking forward to a few other opinions. Oh and back to the original thread, I completely agree pig tails rock. Something about that extra detail makes it so appealing. 

[NSXCIGAR]

20 minutes ago, Siberian Bear said:

IMHO Trinidad is very similar to Cohiba. Trini robusto T reminded me of Siglo VI

Also, I know there is no love for Trini short robusto 2010 LE on this board but I find it one if the best cigars I've ever smoked!

I would be more likely to have agreed with you around the time that the Robusto T was in production and earlier, but over the last 5 years there has certainly been a divergence between Cohiba and Trinidad and I'd have to say that recent production of both has very little in common. Trinidad has clearly embraced what many call the "doughnuts and coffee" profile while Cohiba has never really lost the straight bean flavors, although the grassy flavors it was known for have diminished in recent years, particularly in the Linea Clasica.

When I first tried Trinidad in the late 90s, I thought that they did share much more with Cohiba, particularly the Siglo line which still had some grassiness at the time. Finding quality Trini in the 2000s was very difficult, but the good ones did seem to retain much of their late 90s profile which I found more medium toasted tobacco, "floral" notes akin to Rafael Gonzalez, honey and tea, and some of the Cohiba grassiness. This "coffee and doughnuts" profile isn't something I experienced in Trini until around 2012, as I said. 

[jerrybrowne]

+1 on the cream and sweet tea notes.  Another characteristic is a pleasantly sweet retrohale that reminds me of toasted caramel. 

Alot has been made here on the recent decline in quality of Trinidads and sadly, I have to agree.  Lots of bad boxes this last year.  Vigias are still smoking well though, and Fundadores if you can find them.

[HoyoFan]

As always thank your for the education. Sounds like I'll need to try and find a fiver to try.

[Winchester21]

Trinidads and Cohibas are some of the most popular stick on 24/24. I don't have many Trinidads because I usually miss them with my slow internet. I really don't think that they are that similar. To me they are sweeter than the Cohibas. A fine cigar that I will smoke at any opportunity

As for pigtail sticke the Cohiba Especial is one of my all time favorites. I have been lucky enough to score several boxes here and from duty free stores in general. I have never had a bad one A little on the pricey side

[NSXCIGAR]

Trinidad is a very interesting brand for me. I'm actually a fan of this relatively recent "coffee and doughnuts" profile that the marca provides. However, the lineup is a fairly poor one with only a Laguito Especial, Coloniales, Reyes and a Torres. The Fundys are hard to come by and very pricey, although I will acknowledge the price in Cuba makes it almost a must-buy. The Reyes is very good but small, and I am not a fan of the Torres vitola but many are, and it's probably their best seller and most popular vitola. My favorite model by far is the Coloniales, and I actually wish this vitola was offered by other marcas. Closest thing to a Francisos vitola (my all-time favorite) there is.

Trinidad's major issue to me is the price and inconsistent quality. Good quality Trini is very hard to find, and that's why it's generally snapped up so fast on the 24:24s. I do like the Reyes, but quite frankly, I'd rather have a good SCdLH El Principe. Both are "dessert" profiles IMO, and the El Principe much larger and fully enjoyable. The Reyes is frustratingly small and nearly twice the price. I'd be willing to buy more Coloniales, but again, the price, and the quality on these prohibits blind buys. Same with Vigia, except I dislike the vitola. 

Cutting the Robustos T and Robustos Extra was one of the more bizarre moves HSA has made in the last decade (and that's saying something). I and many others found them to be excellent and I much prefer the Dobles and Del Valle vitolas over the Torres. They're cigars that could have been priced at a premium justifiably as the Siglo VI is, for example. 

 

[kalibratecuba]

I'm sober now and can therefore type sensibly.

I prefer Trinidads over Cohibas in flavour and quality. I find that being able to twist off the pigtail gives me a better draw and experience than cutting or punching. I'd say that my love for my Coloniales has risen 4 fold since I put down the cutter. ‍♂️

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[BrightonCorgi]

Fundadores and Robusto T are both masterpiece cigars IMO.  I wish they'd exaggerate the pig tails more.

The Portmann Robustos have a pig tail as well...

[JohnS]

13 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I would be more likely to have agreed with you around the time that the Robusto T was in production and earlier, but over the last 5 years there has certainly been a divergence between Cohiba and Trinidad and I'd have to say that recent production of both has very little in common. Trinidad has clearly embraced what many call the "doughnuts and coffee" profile while Cohiba has never really lost the straight bean flavors, although the grassy flavors it was known for have diminished in recent years, particularly in the Linea Clasica.

When I first tried Trinidad in the late 90s, I thought that they did share much more with Cohiba, particularly the Siglo line which still had some grassiness at the time. Finding quality Trini in the 2000s was very difficult, but the good ones did seem to retain much of their late 90s profile which I found more medium toasted tobacco, "floral" notes akin to Rafael Gonzalez, honey and tea, and some of the Cohiba grassiness. This "coffee and doughnuts" profile isn't something I experienced in Trini until around 2012, as I said. 

You've hit the nail on the head with these views @NSXCIGAR! I know exactly what you mean in regards to the complex Trinidad profile you describe. Would you say the 'coffee and doughnuts' profile has diminished the complexity in Trinidad recently? I for one used to enjoy that unique combination of coffee, grass, honey and sometimes spice that I'd get and I concur, I haven't experienced this myriad of flavours as consistently lately.

[Smallclub]

19 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Cutting the Robustos T and Robustos Extra was one of the more bizarre moves HSA has made in the last decade (and that's saying something). I and many others found them to be excellent

Count me among these many others… The Robusto Extra was much loved and could be had for a great price if you looked at the right places…

[NSXCIGAR]

13 hours ago, JohnS said:

Would you say the 'coffee and doughnuts' profile has diminished the complexity in Trinidad recently? I for one used to enjoy that unique combination of coffee, grass, honey and sometimes spice that I'd get and I concur, I haven't experienced this myriad of flavours as consistently lately.

Sure, I think that's probably true for Trini now that you mention it. It's a total and complete blend change, that's for sure, although I've found CCs in general have become less complex over the last decade in the sense that multiple distinct flavors are harder to distinguish.

CCs in the last decade or even two seem to better characterized by a one or two flavor profile like "coffee & doughnuts". I think we both know what marca "syrup & molasses" describes, along with "cherries and cream" "shortbread and coffee" "leather and earth"--I bet almost all of us can pin the profile to the marca here.

I'm actually someone who can be totally satisfied with less complexity as long as the main one or two flavors are rich, present and interesting. To me, when a cigar hits three or even two distinct flavors, it has the potential to be a mid-to-high 90-point cigar. I suppose I'd be looking for a cavalcade of complexity for a high 90-point or 100 pointer, but three or four flavors, all distinct, rich and interesting could get it there.

[Fugu]

5 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I'm actually someone who can be totally satisfied with less complexity as long as the main one or two flavors are rich, present and interesting. To me, when a cigar hits three or even two distinct flavors, it has the potential to be a mid-to-high 90-point cigar. I suppose I'd be looking for a cavalcade of complexity for a high 90-point or 100 pointer, but three or four flavors, all distinct, rich and interesting could get it there.

Agreed. But add evolution to that equation. For me, to be 'great' a cigar has to display a certain development in flavours over the course of the smoke, at least in longer smokes.

[kalibratecuba]

I don't make the changes in profile over the course of a smoke my sole factor. Construction, aging ability and how often my subconscious try to get my hands to grab one are some additional factors.

I'm surprised that it hasn't gotten to the point that all Cuban cigars share essentially same profile.

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