Caramel

[JohnS]

1 hour ago, Smallclub said:

How "exactly"? If you burn white sugar, the result has nothing common with roasted nuts…

C'mon Frank, what would you say to this? Probably, "where exactly did I mention white sugar?" You're too knowledgeable to sacrifice your dignity to posts like this, you can do better. Roasting is burning, sugars are sweet....simple as that.

29 minutes ago, Jeanff said:

Hi John,

caramel sauce is not achieved the way you suggest. By heating sugar in water, you get hard caramel, or candy caramel. Sauce is usually obtained by heating butter and sugar

Thanks Jean, I was trying to make a link to burning sugar to get an approximation of what caramel is. I'm not a pastry chef, and as you'd probably attest, the flavours we get in cigars serve as a guide, as cigar smoking will always lend itself to some form of tobacco-based flavour comparison, in reality, than a direct comparison to flavours from food. Hence why describing cigar flavours is so subjective.

[Smallclub]

40 minutes ago, JohnS said:

C'mon Frank, what would you say to this? Probably, "where exactly did I mention white sugar?" You're too knowledgeable to sacrifice your dignity to posts like this, you can do better. Roasting is burning, sugars are sweet....simple as that.

John, I didn't want to be unpleasant (it's 2am here and I'm having a 2nd glass of scotch and I still have to decide what I'm going to smoke…), but honestly I didn't understand your "exactly"; after all caramel is a very simple thing (heated sugar), it has basically nothing to do with roasted nuts or dark honey, unless we're talking confiserie, pâtisserie, etc.

If you burn white sugar you get plain caramel, the type used for ornamentation. It's the less interesting caramel but it still has a distinct taste.

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5 minutes ago, Smallclub said:

John, I didn't want to be unpleasant (it's 2am here and I'm having a 2nd glass of scotch and I still have to decide what I'm going to smoke…), but honestly I didn't understand your "exactly"; after all caramel is a very simple thing (heated sugar), it has basically nothing to do with roasted nuts or dark honey, unless we're talking confiserie, pâtisserie, etc.

If you burn white sugar you get plain caramel, the type used for ornamentation. It's the less interesting caramel but is still has a distinct taste.

And the taste is dependant on the max temperature the caramel reached, from blond (light flavor) to burnt (cooked longer, distinctive burnt flavor)

[Colt45]

I'm seriously starting to question my membership here.........

friggin' caramel.............

[JohnS]

41 minutes ago, Smallclub said:

John, I didn't want to be unpleasant (it's 2am here and I'm having a 2nd glass of scotch and I still have to decide what I'm going to smoke…), but honestly I didn't understand your "exactly"; after all caramel is a very simple thing (heated sugar), it has basically nothing to do with roasted nuts or dark honey, unless we're talking confiserie, pâtisserie, etc.

If you burn white sugar you get plain caramel, the type used for ornamentation. It's the less interesting caramel but is still has a distinct taste.

No problems, Frank. You have my full empathy. I too am doing 12.30 am nights lately as work is like that this time of year. Please continue to offer insights on our forum in regards to our noble hobby, as I humbly admit that my knowledge is but a 'candle in the wind' in comparison to yours, and I very much enjoy learning from you.

[eswary]

I feel like I get a vanilla-ie, caramel flavor off of PLPC's and creamy coffee, with a dash of caramel at times from QDO imperials.

Just me though...

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[El Presidente]

 

1 hour ago, Colt45 said:

I'm seriously starting to question my membership here.........

friggin' caramel.............

 

Let's go wild and discuss Licorice. caramel is for panzies. 

......I don't think you can handle "Licorice" 

[Wrangler]

Black Licorice is the only Licorice.....

[El Presidente]

23 minutes ago, Wrangler said:

Black Licorice is the only Licorice.....

 

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[maxcjs0101]

I've never gotten any "caramel" from Cuban cigars (or NCs) before but "honey" is something i would find at times.

Recently i got a whiff of honey from a 4 year old Quintero Brevas. What a treat.

[Ken Gargett]

6 hours ago, westg said:

I  had only read for those who enjoy caramel in cigars .....and was already thinking Ramon Allones Estupendos .  Caramel in a cigar like no other . I have one left.

I am going to fire up a RA Grandes to see where they are at    TEB OCT 08   same size cigar I think ( Cepo 49 largo 180mm  )  If you have not tried one, let me know and I will send you one Ken to compare .

Keep enjoying those Estupendos

westie,

i'm not familiar the Grandes. would love a squizz. if you are coming over for smoke-a-thon this year (is it on?), we can fire one up and i'll pull out some estupendos. 

[JohnS]

20 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

westie,

i'm not familiar the Grandes. would love a squizz. if you are coming over for smoke-a-thon this year (is it on?), we can fire one up and i'll pull out some estupendos. 

Next year. This year is the (organised) trip to Cuba.

[Fuzz]

On 15/06/2016 at 11:00 AM, Ken Gargett said:

for those who enjoy caramel in their cigars (i guess to be correct, i should say the flavour of caramel), what smoke do you turn to?

i ask as recently i have been smoking the last of a box of Ramon Allones Estupendos RR Asia Pacific (TEB Oct 07). they are so amazingly laden with caramel flavours. some creamy coffee, white chocolate as well, but really lovely, rich caramel notes. i am loving them. wish i'd saved the box until now and not had any in the early days, when they were good but nowhere near this good. 

 

8 hours ago, westg said:

I  had only read for those who enjoy caramel in cigars .....and was already thinking Ramon Allones Estupendos .  Caramel in a cigar like no other . I have one left.

I am going to fire up a RA Grandes to see where they are at    TEB OCT 08   same size cigar I think ( Cepo 49 largo 180mm  )  If you have not tried one, let me know and I will send you one Ken to compare .

Keep enjoying those Estupendos

Damn. You guys are making me want to call down my box from the OLH.

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, Fuzz said:

 

Damn. You guys are making me want to call down my box from the OLH.

fuzz, i remember being a bit concerned when the reviews were suggesting that they had peaked. thought that is a bit disappointing, to have largely missed the window. i now feel that there is no great rush but i'd be inclined to pull the trigger. there seems no point in waiting. i keep telling myself i should wait because they will improve blah blah blah, but to be honest, i think they might evolve further but i don't see them being better, just different. and i am loving this wonderful creamy caramel character so much, i'm happy. 

i think they have become my new fave RR smokes, even topping the Boli Simones. 

[Fuzz]

5 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

fuzz, i remember being a bit concerned when the reviews were suggesting that they had peaked. thought that is a bit disappointing, to have largely missed the window. i now feel that there is no great rush but i'd be inclined to pull the trigger. there seems no point in waiting. i keep telling myself i should wait because they will improve blah blah blah, but to be honest, i think they might evolve further but i don't see them being better, just different. and i am loving this wonderful creamy caramel character so much, i'm happy. 

i think they have become my new fave RR smokes, even topping the Boli Simones. 

I'm convinced. Calling them home. Thanks Ken & West.

[BonVivant]

 

 

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[JohnS]

57 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

 

Damn. You guys are making me want to call down my box from the OLH.

Sounds good!  

44 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

I'm convinced. Calling them home. Thanks Ken & West.

Yeah, thanks Ken & West!

[Troels]

Licorice... My 2002 partagas coronas come to mind. I find Some aged cigars have some aromatic licorice, while the ammonium in a young short or young ryj cazadores has given me those associations. 

Just to divert the conversation 

[Colt45]

7 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Let's go wild and discuss Licorice. caramel is for panzies. 

......I don't think you can handle "Licorice" 

Discuss it - no problem.

Argue about it - not so much........

[QuaiDorkay]

I get caramel for sure in QDO imensos

[PatrickEwing]

Although I have the palate of a T-Rex, I do find some good sweetness (perhaps not caramel) in the Hoyo San Juan. The size is obscene, the price is distasteful and it promotes an appalling lack of reverence for the Le Hoyo name. But I like them and I think they'll be great down the road. 

Edit: I might add I really enjoy Calvados with this cigar and a few others

[ThePolskiOgorki]

Can someone please post their best caramel sauce recipe? Maybe I should start a new thread.  Look I am heating up a pot already.