El Presidente Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 The below was sent to me by two mates overnight. Apparently it is doing the rounds of the net. From the little research I did, it was apparently said upon his return from Vietnam in an interview with British Journalist Brian Davis. Even a broken clock is right twice a day 4
... Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 To Castro in those days, it probably was his poetic way of saying 'when hens have teeth' 2
Popular Post El Presidente Posted July 14, 2015 Author Popular Post Posted July 14, 2015 Very interesting! Has it actually been checked for its veracity? Sounds like a big coincidence. Our FOH Current Affairs research division is onto it. We run to the same standard as Australia's "60 Minutes Program". Will ask one person..google for 5 minutes .... and run with it. 9
btp1979 Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 Our FOH Current Affairs research division is onto it. We run to the same standard as Australia's "60 Minutes Program". Will ask one person..google for 5 minutes .... and run with it. Now that is due diligence! I love it
LordAnubis Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 My google search came to this page... so therefore if Google says it's true... then it must be true But yes, i also suspect it was castros way of saying "when hell freezes over". Just goes to show how much the world is changing, and sometimes for the better
MIKA27 Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 On the “Psychic Powers” of Fidel Castro A picture has been going around Facebook with a quote by former Cuban leader Fidel Castro where it appears he predicted the conditions under which the U.S. embargo would come to an end. In 1973 he spoke the following words: “The United States will come to talk to us when you have a black president and the world has a Latin American pope.” – Fidel Castro speaking to the international press in 1973 The original appeared in Spanish: “Estados Unidos vendrá a dialogar con nosotros cuando tenga un Presidente ***** y haya en el mundo un Papa latinoamericano”. The quote appears to be a piece of wisdom uttered by Castro decades ago about the international political conditions necessary to bring about the end of the embargo. A lot of people are sharing this image as though it were true. They are however wrong just as Castro was in his prediction. What we have is coincidence not prophesy. For Castro to be correct the embargo must be ending because of the Black president and Latin American Pope. This unfortunately is not the case. The quote implies that the embargo ends due to the anti-bourgeois position of the president and the Pope. Both President Obama and Pope Francis have declared their support for capitalism over socialism. The impending end of the embargo is not the product of international progressive forces that have come to the realization that it won’t cause Cuba to abandon socialism. It has come about as a result of negotiations between current leader Raul Castro and the imperialists.[2] Both sides engaged in discussions about ending the embargo, reportedly with the assistance of Pope Francis. I believe the grounds on which the embargo has ended are not good ones. Cuba has no reason to negotiate as they have done nothing wrong they are a victim of U.S. imperialism. For them to be taking place Cuba must be giving up something very important. The imperialists don’t cease subversive activities out of the goodness of their hearts. It seems almost certain that the embargo has ended with some kind of serious capitulation by Cuba. Laws are currently being changed that would allow Americans to send more money to relatives. Other measures include allowing U.S. banks to set up shop in the country. Allowing foreign imperialist capital to begin making headway into a country is a sure way to have it subverted. But we shall leave this discussion for another day. The point here is that there should be no celebration that the embargo has been lifted in an altruistic way in which Fidel predicted. In truth it has been ended in a way that has placed what remains of the Cuban Revolution in jeopardy. The end of the embargo has been purchased, not dismantled out of justice for the Cuban people for the suffering it has caused. [1] Presidente francés visita a Fidel Castro en La Habana (+ Fotos y Video), Cuba Debatehttp://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2015/05/11/presidente-frances-visita-a-fidel-castro-en-la-habana/ [2] Vatican played key role in Cuba-U.S. talks: officials, Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/17/us-cuba-usa-vatican-idUSKBN0JV29520141217 MIKA: Who knows if there's any truth, amusing anyway.
Philski Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 The quote implies that the embargo ends due to the anti-bourgeois position of the president and the Pope. I believe the grounds on which the embargo has ended are not good ones. It seems almost certain that the embargo has ended with some kind of serious capitulation by Cuba. Laws are currently being changed that would allow Americans to send more money to relatives. Other measures include allowing U.S. banks to set up shop in the country. Allowing foreign imperialist capital to begin making headway into a country is a sure way to have it subverted. The end of the embargo has been purchased, not dismantled out of justice for the Cuban people for the suffering it has caused. What an irritating article. The quote makes no reference, implied or otherwise, to the embargo IMO, unless there is a broader context to the quote that I'm unaware of. As far as I know, in '73 Cuba was being very nicely supported by the USSR, thank you very much, and weren't exactly on their knees and desperate. However: what is the embargo all about? Applying political pressure by cutting off all trade and investment from Cuba's nearest neighbour, traditionally its principal source of economic wealth. So ending the embargo is about restoring trade with America and inviting their investment back into the country. This article sounds like it was written by a Miami Cuban-in-exile, who as far as I understand have supported the continuation of the embargo unless all property abstracted in the revolution is returned to pre-1959 status - nothing else would be acceptable, even though the embargo has caused such suffering to their fellow countrymen. I'm not suggesting that these people don't have any basis for their argument, but they are dreaming. 1
TomF Posted July 14, 2015 Posted July 14, 2015 On the “Psychic Powers” of Fidel Castro A picture has been going around Facebook with a quote by former Cuban leader Fidel Castro where it appears he predicted the conditions under which the U.S. embargo would come to an end. In 1973 he spoke the following words: “The United States will come to talk to us when you have a black president and the world has a Latin American pope.” – Fidel Castro speaking to the international press in 1973 The original appeared in Spanish: “Estados Unidos vendrá a dialogar con nosotros cuando tenga un Presidente ***** y haya en el mundo un Papa latinoamericano”. The quote appears to be a piece of wisdom uttered by Castro decades ago about the international political conditions necessary to bring about the end of the embargo. A lot of people are sharing this image as though it were true. They are however wrong just as Castro was in his prediction. What we have is coincidence not prophesy. For Castro to be correct the embargo must be ending because of the Black president and Latin American Pope. This unfortunately is not the case. The quote implies that the embargo ends due to the anti-bourgeois position of the president and the Pope. Both President Obama and Pope Francis have declared their support for capitalism over socialism. The impending end of the embargo is not the product of international progressive forces that have come to the realization that it won’t cause Cuba to abandon socialism. It has come about as a result of negotiations between current leader Raul Castro and the imperialists.[2] Both sides engaged in discussions about ending the embargo, reportedly with the assistance of Pope Francis. I believe the grounds on which the embargo has ended are not good ones. Cuba has no reason to negotiate as they have done nothing wrong they are a victim of U.S. imperialism. For them to be taking place Cuba must be giving up something very important. The imperialists don’t cease subversive activities out of the goodness of their hearts. It seems almost certain that the embargo has ended with some kind of serious capitulation by Cuba. Laws are currently being changed that would allow Americans to send more money to relatives. Other measures include allowing U.S. banks to set up shop in the country. Allowing foreign imperialist capital to begin making headway into a country is a sure way to have it subverted. But we shall leave this discussion for another day. The point here is that there should be no celebration that the embargo has been lifted in an altruistic way in which Fidel predicted. In truth it has been ended in a way that has placed what remains of the Cuban Revolution in jeopardy. The end of the embargo has been purchased, not dismantled out of justice for the Cuban people for the suffering it has caused. [1] Presidente francés visita a Fidel Castro en La Habana (+ Fotos y Video), Cuba Debate http://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2015/05/11/presidente-frances-visita-a-fidel-castro-en-la-habana/ [2] Vatican played key role in Cuba-U.S. talks: officials, Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/17/us-cuba-usa-vatican-idUSKBN0JV29520141217 MIKA: Who knows if there's any truth, amusing anyway. You are aware that the embargo has not yet been lifted, right? That would take an act of Congress,which is not bloody likely anytime soon.
oliverdst Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 http://www.clarin.com/mundo/Fidel-Castro-Cuba-EE-UU-asombrosa-prediccion-1973_0_1399060294.html
Ken Gargett Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Our FOH Current Affairs research division is onto it. We run to the same standard as Australia's "60 Minutes Program". Will ask one person..google for 5 minutes .... and run with it. if 60 minutes has added googling to their research then they have finally got serious.
KRunch61 Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Obama has declared his support for capitalism over socialism??!! That's like Rob declaring his preference for NCs over CCs! 1
Dara Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Castro also predicted the winning lottery numbers twice.......sadly he didn't know which countries lottery the numbers would come up in and when, but hey he was still on the money ?
DrunkenMonkey Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 Obama has declared his support for capitalism over socialism??!! That's like Rob declaring his preference for NCs over CCs! I'm sure that all the Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street people who make up much of Obama's administration would be amused by this post.
KRunch61 Posted July 27, 2015 Posted July 27, 2015 I'm sure that all the Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street people who make up much of Obama's administration would be amused by this post. Yeah, unfortunately in the U.S. it's become a choice between crony capitalism and European-style socialism. Look out, Greece, here we come!
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