dangolf18 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A friend is offering up part of his bourbon collection. Do you think any of these are a buy? I can't believe how insane bourbon prices have gotten for top names! I'm not loaded with cash, so wondering if any of these would be a good investment/buy. 1xAH Hirsch 16yr -$1000 1xCol EH Taylor cured oak-$450 1xWillett 12yr family reserve whiskey, distillery gift shop exclusive -$250 4xWillett 9yr family reserve whiskey-$150ea 1xWillett XCF version 1.0 -$250 3xRhetoric 20yr orphan barrel $130 1xWilliam heaven hill 11yr small batch distillery gift shop exclusive -$250 1xHeaven hill 8yr select stock distillery gift shop exclusive $250 2xWilliam Larue Weller Btac 2014 -$475ea 1xGeorge t stagg Btac 2013=$350 1xThomas handy Btac 2012 =$250 1x10yr old rip van winkle squat 90proof 2011=$350 1x10yr old rip Van winkle squat 107proof 2012=$350 1x10yr old rip van winkle 2013 =$300 1x12yr Van winkle lot B 2012 =$400 1x12yr Van winkle lot B 2013=$375 1x12yr Van winkle lot B 2014=$350 1x13yr Van winkle family rye 2013=$850 1x15yr pappy Van winkle 2014=$650 1x15yr pappy Van winkle 2012=$675 3x20yr pappy Van winkle 2012=$1050ea 1x20yr pappy Van winkle 2013=$1000 3x20yr pappy Van winkle 2014=$950ea 2x23yr pappy Van winkle 2014=$1400 1x23yr pappy Van winkle 2013=$1450 1x23yr pappy Van winkle 2008 =$1500 1x23yr pappy Van winkle 2007=$1500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDisco Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I'm no expert on Bourbon. Have been curious though, with the high prices and marquise value of Pappy's, one wonders how you avoid getting a counterfeit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Personally, I would jump on the Thomas Handy or George Stagg. I'd be tempted to get one of the more expensive Van Winkle bottles too. Wow...what a great collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 None - you won't make a profit at these prices and I don't think they are worth this price to drink, unless you are rolling in cash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxnutz Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Complete secondary market prices. All good stuff but your not getting a deal. Pappy is not the be all and end all. I myself love the Heaven Hill gift shop selections and Buffalo Trace Antique collection picks. Namely T.Handy and Stagg. I've forgotten half the list but unless there's any older PVW than '08 (say the 23yrs) Its not the distilled at S. Weller, biblical juice stuff. Also, I love bourbon and enjoy it thoroughly. I hate flippers with a passion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geauxj Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The only thing that really caught my eye was the two heaven hill selections he has. To me the prices are at the top of the secondary market...and that means you'd have two problems. None of this would appreciate much, and you wouldn't want to drink it either. It is an impressive list though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangolf18 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Thanks for the input. I'm going to pass on them. Bourbon is unfortunately becoming a Veblen good. Sucks for those that appreciate good quality stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I've got to admit that my preferences were based purely on the bottles I'd like. As I'm in Australia the prices are very different so my apologies for not been able to help out there. Alas, it's great to have others confirm that these aren't the best deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM-US Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Those are about average prices for the non-Pappy van Winkle items. Secondary market, not what they were from the store. Are you considering buying them to drink? Liquor is not really a reasonable investment- selling on the secondary market is mostly illegal in many places, provenance and storage are paramount on the expensive bottles, and they are relatively fragile and easy to lose in the event of some small catastrophe. Also, it is often not replaceable, even if you get a decent insurance payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicycorona Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Absolutely not. A local price gouger had pappy 23 for 800. Not second hand and not even close at that. AH hirsch is good, but not even considered at half that for consumption, and not at that for investment. Lot B for over 70 bucks? WTF How much for a new release C Taylor retailed at 70? Does your friend think bottle aging increases quality? Interesting price structure. I'm hoping your "friend" wouldn't charge you those prices. Be careful with bourbon. It's in odd times. I'll add the "investment" times for bourbon have passed by. If that's your bag. And buying second hand for investment purposes isn't ideal, at all. You need to find them before they explode GQ style. The mid 2000's AH Hirsch pipe dream is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicycorona Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Thanks for the input. I'm going to pass on them. Bourbon is unfortunately becoming a Veblen good. Sucks for those that appreciate good quality stuff. Ironically, to your statement, that's the beauty of bourbon. Good quality bourbon isn't exclusive. It's easy to get caught up in the rarity and hype. Bourbon is artificially being put into that position to compete with scotch. At least that's my feeling. It just isn't that good to put it bluntly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khomeinist Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Those prices are comical. I am done giving liquor advice but there is excelent bourbon on the market from those same distilleries for well under $50/1.75L. I completely agree that bourbon just isn't highland scotch and should really never exceed $100 a bottle. I have drank litres of pappy. I don't seek it anymore. It just isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalSituation Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Those prices are even high for secondary market. I'd pass. Much better bourbon for hundreds less imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Nice "friend" that is to let you have them at such preferred prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGC Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 A lot of folks chase labels... similar to cigars, wine, and many other things. Your "friend" is banking on these folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangolf18 Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 Yea well he's not a very good friend. More of an acquaintance lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtrott Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Nice selection-collection but for those prices good luck to him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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