cigaraholic Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Namath......The Snake........the guy needs to put the pipe down.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 How about the best to never win one? Two come to mind: Marino and Tarkenton Marino was brilliant, maybe as good as a QB has ever been.
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Bleacher must have had a 17 y/o intern write the list. Anyone who can say this obviously doesn't know the first thing about what he did, how he did it or the team they faced and beat in the Super Bowl. That team was beating everyone by 40+ points. I strongly disagree... The numbers don't lie... You might want to check them.. Joe Namath threw more interceptions than touchdowns in 11 seasons of a 13 season career ... Highest QBR ever was 74.3... With a career QBR or 65.5... Even in his 1969 Super Bowl season he threw 19TD and 17INTs... As a matter of fact, the Jets NEVER beat any one by 40 points when Namath was a part of the team, but on the contrary, the Jets actual lost by 42 to Dallas in 1971, 52-10... Joe Namath's best season statistically was his rookie year and his Super bowl year, which were the only years in his career where he threw more TDS than INTs. There were only 3 seasons in his career where he didn't reach double digits in INTs in what were 14 games seasons back then. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. Because thats all it was, a moment. Great NFL folklore for fans to watch, when their at home wearing sweatpants, with a bowl of doritos. The facts are Joe Namath was a polarizing figure, but it wasn't because he actually was a great player. And to ad insult to injury he actually made the Hall of Fame, there are GREAT ball players who we all can think of that deserve to be in the Hall instead of "Broadway Joe", a womanizing, uncoachable, underacheiver, with a big mouth. lets not forget about ... OVERRATED!
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I strongly disagree... The numbers don't lie... You might want to check them.. Joe Namath threw more interceptions than touchdowns in 11 seasons of a 13 season career ... Highest QBR ever was 74.3... With a career QBR or 65.5... Even in his 1969 Super Bowl season he threw 19TD and 17INTs... As a matter of fact, the Jets NEVER beat any one by 40 points when Namath was a part of the team, but on the contrary, the Jets actual lost by 42 to Dallas in 1971, 52-10... Joe Namath's best season statistically was his rookie year and his Super bowl year, which were the only years in his career where he threw more TDS than INTs. There were only 3 seasons in his career where he didn't reach double digits in INTs in what were 14 games seasons back then. Don't be a prisoner of the moment. Because thats all it was, a moment. Great NFL folklore for fans to watch, when their at home wearing sweatpants, with a bowl of doritos. The facts are Joe Namath was a polarizing figure, but it wasn't because he actually was a great player. OVERRATED! I disagree with your stats assessment. People conveniently use stats to discount a QB winning a Super Bowl or being great, then they turn around and use the reverse argument when it doesn't suit the situation (Eli Manning). Vegas had the Super Bowl as a blow out. Not a close game, not a definite win, a blow out of epic proportions. The Jets faced a 13-1 Baltimore Colts team that beat the Browns 34-0 in the Championship game and the rest of the regular seasons read as: 27-10 28-20 41-7 28-7 42-14 20-30 (Browns Loss) 27-10 26-0 27-10 27-0 21-9 44-0 16-3 28-24 Look at those margins. They were annihilating opponents in the regular season.
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I disagree with your stats assessment. People conveniently use stats to discount a QB winning a Super Bowl or being great, then they turn around and use the reverse argument when it doesn't suit the situation (Eli Manning). Vegas had the Super Bowl as a blow out. Not a close game, not a definite win, a blow out of epic proportions. The Jets faced a 13-1 Baltimore Colts team that beat the Browns 34-0 in the Championship game and the rest of the regular seasons read as: 27-10 28-20 41-7 28-7 42-14 20-30 (Browns Loss) 27-10 26-0 27-10 27-0 21-9 44-0 16-3 28-24 Look at those margins. They were annihilating opponents in the regular season. I hear what your saying, but your argument doesn't hold water... They beat the colts, yes, but you're not reading the topic of the forum buddy... Read what Ken specified in the beginning of the Post. And with that criteria, there is NO WAY Joe Namath doesn't belong on this list.... He was HORRIBLE! came across this list. some big surprises and i am certain a lot of people will strongly disagree. it is a couple of years old and it is not for their performances in the superbowl but across their careers. before you look, have a think. some major surprises to me. http://bleacherrepor...in-a-super-bowl
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I hear what your saying, but your argument doesn't hold water... They beat the colts, yes, but you're not reading the topic of the forum buddy... Read what Ken specified in the beginning of the Post. And with that criteria, there is NO WAY Joe Namath doesn't belong on this list.... He was HORRIBLE! QBR is an awful measurement of QB performance. It weights INTs and completion % as the majority of the scoring. Namath had a quick release and an extremely low % of sacks. He won a Super Bowl against a team that by all accounts should have make a mockery of his team. (this can't be discounted as it is always used in the performance measure of a QBs lifetime). His yards per attempt were 8.0 in 67 and 7.0 every year up until he was 32. This puts him in the Brady and Manning level. Most (reasonable) analysts put him in the top 30 of all time, not worst of all time. First QB in history to throw 4,000 yards in a season (1967) Inducted into the Football Hall of Fame
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Manning Brady Level? We're still talking about Joe Namath right? I can't go on with this debate knowing this is what you see to be the truth... If you really believe what you just posted, you're beyond help... Just try to keep these comments among friends and family, atleast that way the people who love you and care about your feelings enough to go easy on you... You have my respect as a botl, and I'm gonna leave it at that...
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Manning Brady Level? We're still talking about Joe Namath right? I can't go on with this debate knowing this is what you see to be the truth... If you really believe what you just posted, you're beyond help... Just try to keep these comments among friends and family, atleast that way the people who love you and care about your feelings enough to go easy on you... You have my respect as a botl, and I'm gonna leave it at that... Respect.
noreaster Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Dozerhead, you're right. Bradshaw was one of the great ones. I wonder how long Tom Brady would have lasted back in the 70s when you were allowed to hit the QB. Bradshaw was tough as hell, and he earned those 4 rings. He deserves respect.
noreaster Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Wonder how long Brady would last with the Steelers current o-line?
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 Wonder how long Brady would last with the Steelers current o-line? if you take that into account, rg3 must be the greatest QB to ever walk the earth! turnstiles would have worked better for the poor kid this year.
bogglor Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Dozerhead, you're right. Bradshaw was one of the great ones. I wonder how long Tom Brady would have lasted back in the 70s when you were allowed to hit the QB. Bradshaw was tough as hell, and he earned those 4 rings. He deserves respect. Tom Brady is widely recognized by his peers as one of the toughest QBs in football. I think he'd have done just fine.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Tom Brady is widely recognized by his peers as one of the toughest QBs in football. I think he'd have done just fine. Would that be his peers the NFL quarterbacks, or his peers the fashion models?
dtrott Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 This list is fugazy.How can two guys(Manning and Big Ben)who's teams each WON 2 SUPER BOWLS ,possibly make a worst of anything list???
Dozerhead Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 This list is fugazy.How can two guys(Manning and Big Ben)who's teams each WON 2 SUPER BOWLS ,possibly make a worst of anything list??? Yeah, I have issues with those 2 being on the list as well. Heck, I don't think Stabler should be on there, either. He had some damn good seasons early in his career before the partying and his bad knees took their toll. He was excellent at the 2 minute offense. By the time he was traded to the Oilers in 1980 he was a shell of his former self. Still liked to party hard, though.
superconductor71 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I am proud to say 3 on that list played at one time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tough on Brad Johnson. Unless I am mistaken he made the pro bowl in 2002. True, but the Pro Bowl isn't always the best indicator. I mean take the Eagles, for instance: 2 players voted in from the start, and just another 3 added due to injury and dropouts. Not that Desean Jackson isn't worthy.....but I dont know, I hate the Pro Bowl...it's about as useless as me running my lawnmower over my snow covered lawn. Dozerhead, you're right. Bradshaw was one of the great ones. I wonder how long Tom Brady would have lasted back in the 70s when you were allowed to hit the QB. Bradshaw was tough as hell, and he earned those 4 rings. He deserves respect. Absolutely! And as a die hard Eagles fan, I hate to give any love to any Dallas player...but the guy was fantastic. Also the best athlete in general on that team. When they ran the 40, he had the best time out of anyone on that squad. Impressive. Marino was brilliant, maybe as good as a QB has ever been. ^This ~Drew
Ken Gargett Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Yeah, I have issues with those 2 being on the list as well. Heck, I don't think Stabler should be on there, either. He had some damn good seasons early in his career before the partying and his bad knees took their toll. He was excellent at the 2 minute offense. By the time he was traded to the Oilers in 1980 he was a shell of his former self. Still liked to party hard, though. i think the list made before eli got his second but very much understand your point. but the guy doing it did make his parameters the full career. still, i reckon a lot of QB's out there would be happy to be called crap if they could get 2 rings. it is a bit like our current cricket team - will go down as a terrific team being only the third in about 140 years to win the ashes 5-0 - an incredible achievement. yet one member who played in all five, bailey, is one of the worst test batsmen imaginable. teams matter. for example, montana, brady, both mannings - none could have saved a team like the current skins. the comment above. bradshaw was a steeler, nothing to do with dallas. he was a fabulous tough footballer, great character, but i'd take some convincing he was the team's quickest over forty. swann, stallworth i think? did not see as much of marino as i would have liked but i remember him because he was in the 83 draft. i believe that the skins, who had pick 28 (last pick those days, as they had won the 82 superbowl) were keen on marino and about to select him. maimi got him with pick 27. all very bizarre as he was the 6th QB to fall. elway and even kelly understandable. i think easson? and two others. all went before marino. but the skins did okay. pick 28 was used on my all time fave skin, darrell green. and then they got charles mann in round 3. you'd take that most years. bleacher report is interesting. they seem to have some knowledgeable contributors and some idiots. they seem reasonable in nfl and soccer. but they are a complete embarrassment with cricket, for example. they have some idiot woman who makes statements i'd be embarrassed to hear from a six year old alien. cricket fans will understand if i say some examples include a list of south africa's top five batsmen that did not include either barry richards or greame pollock. but did include shaun pollock, who is a bowling allrounder. similar to a list of the top five bulls basketballers failing to include jordan. so grain of salt, everyone. but fun thing to discuss.
Laxman Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Well the fact they left Jordan off the top 5 basketball players list shows how much credibility this list has. Big Ben and Eli both have two Superbowl rings and Terry has 4 rings I believe, there any so many others I would have added before those 3. Namath was before my time so I could not really answer there. Granted his win was probably the greatest upset in Superbowl history.
Ken Gargett Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Well the fact they left Jordan off the top 5 basketball players list shows how much credibility this list has. Big Ben and Eli both have two Superbowl rings and Terry has 4 rings I believe, there any so many others I would have added before those 3. Namath was before my time so I could not really answer there. Granted his win was probably the greatest upset in Superbowl history. i may have been misunderstood, unless they have actually a list where jordan was left off the top five, which would surely be a criminal offence. i was using jordan being left off a top five bulls list as a made up example which would be the cricket/basketball equivalent of leaving graeme pollock or barry richards off a south african batsmen list. they didn't really leave jordan off a top five list, did they? he has to be the greatest basketballer of all time.
ogus Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Not great in memory but among the worst? 2 Supers and not in the HOF Plunkett led the Raiders to four playoff victories, including the first-ever victory by a wild card team in the Super Bowl, defeating the Philadelphia Eagles 27–10 in Super Bowl XV. Throwing for 261 yards and three touchdowns, Plunkett was named the game's MVP; subsequently, Plunkett has the distinction of being the first minority to quarterback a team to a Super Bowl victory and the only Latino to be named Super Bowl MVP. In addition to this, he became the second of four players to win the Heisman Trophy and Super Bowl MVP, Roger Staubach before him, and Marcus Allen and Desmond Howard after him. After returning to the backup role in 1983, Plunkett again assumed starting duties, this time after an injury to Wilson. The Los Angeles Raiders advanced to Super Bowl XVIII, where they defeated the Washington Redskins, 38-9. Plunkett completed 16 of 25 passes for 172 yards and a touchdown in the game. Plunkett spent most of his last three seasons either injured or as a backup. He retired after the 1986 season, and is currently the fourth-leading passer in Raiders history. He currently holds the Oakland Raiders record, as well as tied for the league record, for the longest career pass. The 99-yard pass play occurred during an October 2, 1983 game against the Washington Redskins.
Bclass1 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I hear what your saying, but your argument doesn't hold water... They beat the colts, yes, but you're not reading the topic of the forum buddy... Read what Ken specified in the beginning of the Post. And with that criteria, there is NO WAY Joe Namath doesn't belong on this list.... He was HORRIBLE! X2 I agree with this as well. Namath beat a Balitimore Colt team that did not show up to play that day. Just like the 2011 Greenbay Packers at 15-1 layed an egg against the NYG. Anyone who saw that game knows that I'm talking about.. I'm not saying Eli is Namath by any stretch (although this years passed numbers don't help support that) but any given Sunday... Bottom line is Namath deserves to be on that list
khomeinist Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Hostetler the worst. Yes I am a Bills fan. Yes I am bitter. Forget the Baltimore colts. Buffalo beat the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Championship game. Giants were injured and looked like a very soft opponent. Sigh. Wide Right. Cue Buffalo '66
Ken Gargett Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Hostetler the worst. Yes I am a Bills fan. Yes I am bitter. Forget the Baltimore colts. Buffalo beat the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Championship game. Giants were injured and looked like a very soft opponent. Sigh. Wide Right. Cue Buffalo '66 bills fan? wow, that has to be tough. there was a period when when all the NFC east wanted was to play the bills in a superbowl. the one to the giants was cruel. for what it is worth, i was pro bills for three of them - obviously not in the one v the skins. i remember that game well. i have mentioned before, what many americans would not be aware of was that it had to be started twice. i'd just got back to australia and so we did not have american ads, of course. game kicked off and the first play from that kickoff took place - can't remember exactly what happened. bills made a few yards. they had to re-do it because the american tv was still showing ads. bills made less yards next time, if i recall. then thurman thomas could not find his helmet for the first play and so was on the sideline. i remember reading where a lot of the skins knew, at that moment, they had the game won. a bloke so focused on other things that he loses his helmet before the first play in a superbowl?? wow! i know the bills were faves for the game but i could never see it. never had any doubt that the skins would win it. tough era for the bills as they came up against some great teams (and dallas).
AlohaStyle Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Well look at the all time list of super bowl champs... if you're making a top 10 list of worst QB's to win, there will be some good QB's to make the list.
Ken Gargett Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Well look at the all time list of super bowl champs... if you're making a top 10 list of worst QB's to win, there will be some good QB's to make the list. that is actually a really good point. what we have is a list of the worst of the very best, so naturally some goodies make it.
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