Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 came across this list. some big surprises and i am certain a lot of people will strongly disagree. it is a couple of years old and it is not for their performances in the superbowl but across their careers. before you look, have a think. some major surprises to me. http://bleacherrepor...in-a-super-bowl
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Gonna make a list right now without looking at the link.... Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson Joe Namath Doug Williams Joe Theisman Eli Manning Bart Starr Jim Plunkett Mark Rypien Jim McMahon In no particular order...
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 6/10 aint bad... Terry Bradshaw, and Ben Rothlisberger were the only ones who surprised me... Terry, wasn't a great QB but I've always given him a pass because i don't think he really carries himself or even wants to be regarded as a great QB, rather just a great football player which i totally agree he was... Big Ben is always going to carry the burden of coming into a team that was ready to win right away, with a defense that was in its prime. But he did what was asked of him when his number was called. It just so happens that a fans watched Ben come of age, and make all of his young QB mistakes with a ferocious defense to clean up his mistakes... (Sound familiar Seattle fans?)
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 Gonna make a list right now without looking at the link.... Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson Joe Namath Doug Williams Joe Theisman Eli Manning Bart Starr Jim Plunkett Mark Rypien Jim McMahon In no particular order... you got a hell of a lot closer than i would have ever guessed. curious to see that all three of the skins winning QB's are on your list (not all on the link). i wonder if that says something about the way gibbs coached and ran games.
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 i would add one thing - you can't be complete crap to get a side to the big game and win it, no matter how good the rest of the team. they all at least got it together for a season, or part of it (i guess williams was only part season at best).
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 you got a hell of a lot closer than i would have ever guessed. curious to see that all three of the skins winning QB's are on your list (not all on the link). i wonder if that says something about the way gibbs coached and ran games. I would agree, the Redskins were packed with talent, with those teams... Suffice it to say those teams really didn't need a guy to be a permanent fixture at the QB position. Doug Williams was a journeyman who we got on contract for a pack camels, and a bolgna sandwich (with no cheese). Joe Theismann was actually a good fit for what the redskins did, which was run the damn ball up and down the field until Riggo couldn't carry it anymore. Out of 12 years with the Skins Theismann threw for more Interceptions than touchdowns in 5 of them, only finishing a full season of games for 6 out of 12 years with Washington. Averaging 11.5 interceptions a year for his career, with a QBR not exceeding 100 for 11 seasons. Lets not forget Joe Theismann went to the super bowl TWICE against the Raiders he went 16-35 for 243/2picks/0 touchdowns against Miami he went 15-23 for 143/2 TDs/ 2 PICKS! very average ... Mark Rypien was actually better than Williams and Theismann combined! He had a short career with us i think only 6 or 7 years but he never started anywhere else when he left Washington...
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 i would add one thing - you can't be complete crap to get a side to the big game and win it, no matter how good the rest of the team. they all at least got it together for a season, or part of it (i guess williams was only part season at best). Agreed... Doug Williams entire life has been launched because of that win... Albeit deserved, just how he's paraded around the city and n front of the local football community around town. It kind of irks me, I'm the guy in the back of the room mumbling under my breath every time he accepts another "award" for NOTHING... There was a campaign in DC to try get Doug Williams in the Hall of Fame, it came up in a meeting i was attending and i lost it! I damn near had to walk out, when i was approached by a colleague of mine who noticed my bothered disposition, he asked "You ok Coach?" i simply answered "Yea, I'm good Coach, it was hard listening to that conversation without blurting out my opinion, Its already bad enough that Joe Namath is in the Hall for his career." he laughed in agreement.."Yea! Im pissed too, how crazy is it that Doug isn't in the Hall of Fame!!?!?!" ... He completely didn't get it!!! Ken i f*ckin lost it! lol
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 I would agree, the Redskins were packed with talent, with those teams... Suffice it to say those teams really didn't need a guy to be a permanent fixture at the QB position. Doug Williams was a journeyman who we got on contract for a pack camels, and a bolgna sandwich (with no cheese). Joe Theismann was actually a good fit for what the redskins did, which was run the damn ball up and down the field until Riggo couldn't carry it anymore. Out of 12 years with the Skins Theismann threw for more Interceptions than touchdowns in 5 of them, only finishing a full season of games for 6 out of 12 years with Washington. Averaging 11.5 interceptions a year for his career, with a QBR not exceeding 100 for 11 seasons. Lets not forget Joe Theismann went to the super bowl TWICE against the Raiders he went 16-35 for 243/2picks/0 touchdowns against Miami he went 15-23 for 143/2 TDs/ 2 PICKS! very average ... Mark Rypien was actually better than Williams and Theismann combined! He had a short career with us i think only 6 or 7 years but he never started anywhere else when he left Washington... rypien was the QB when i lived in DC so i guess i most closely align with him. i remember him from the year pre the superbowl as pretty dodgy, even likely to be cut after the dire-ish year they had - even if they did make the playoffs (knocked out by the 49ers?), not that the body bag game v the eagles around that time was his fault but symptomatic. seemed to get it together the superbowl year. good crop of wides (the posse, i think?). byner a good running back and another one whose name escapes. i do remember that he could throw a very long ball as well as anyone i've seen. it was really exciting stuff. short time with us post the win and then i think he went through another four teams in quick succession to no avail.
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 Agreed... Doug Williams entire life has been launched because of that win... Albeit deserved, just how he's paraded around the city and n front of the local football community around town. It kind of irks me, I'm the guy in the back of the room mumbling under my breath every time he accepts another "award" for NOTHING... There was a campaign in DC to try get Doug Williams in the Hall of Fame, it came up in a meeting i was attending and i lost it! I damn near had to walk out, when i was approached by a colleague of mine who noticed my bothered disposition, he asked "You ok Coach?" i simply answered "Yea, I'm good Coach, it was hard listening to that conversation without blurting out my opinion, Its already bad enough that Joe Namath is in the Hall for his career." he laughed in agreement.."Yea! Im pissed too, how crazy is it that Doug isn't in the Hall of Fame!!?!?!" ... He completely didn't get it!!! Ken i f*ckin lost it! lol if i recall, and we are now going way back, schroeder, i think??, was the starting QB but very unpopular with the team. story was that he didn't even know the names of the offensive line. gibbs had come from tampa and brought in williams, who'd also been there but was teaching high school or something weird, as back up. schroeder got injured, williams got in and they swapped for the rest of the year. very clear from an interview i saw with williams that he detests schroeder to this day. schroeder started the playoffs but either got injured or benched. i may have this all wrong but it is what i remember. but if you think williams got lucky with a hot day, how about timmy smith!!! i well remember that superbowl - very different time. i was travelling through africa on the back of a truck with a group and it was more than a month after the game before i could find the score or even who won. no phones/internet/anything. we finally came out of the jungle in the cameroons and i went to the american embassy. the marine on guard had no idea what to make of a grubby australian (showers very rare) trying to find out a superbowl score from a long time earlier. he would not tell me for ages - i'm sure he thought it was some sort of ruse. quite bizarre. did not get to see a replay for a very long time. still love that second quarter!
El Presidente Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I am proud to say 3 on that list played at one time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tough on Brad Johnson. Unless I am mistaken he made the pro bowl in 2002.
TheCoach Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 if i recall, and we are now going way back, schroeder, i think??, was the starting QB but very unpopular with the team. story was that he didn't even know the names of the offensive line. gibbs had come from tampa and brought in williams, who'd also been there but was teaching high school or something weird, as back up. schroeder got injured, williams got in and they swapped for the rest of the year. very clear from an interview i saw with williams that he detests schroeder to this day. schroeder started the playoffs but either got injured or benched. i may have this all wrong but it is what i remember. but if you think williams got lucky with a hot day, how about timmy smith!!! i well remember that superbowl - very different time. i was travelling through africa on the back of a truck with a group and it was more than a month after the game before i could find the score or even who won. no phones/internet/anything. we finally came out of the jungle in the cameroons and i went to the american embassy. the marine on guard had no idea what to make of a grubby australian (showers very rare) trying to find out a superbowl score from a long time earlier. he would not tell me for ages - i'm sure he thought it was some sort of ruse. quite bizarre. did not get to see a replay for a very long time. still love that second quarter! Wow! great story Ken... I would have died in that embassy!
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 I am proud to say 3 on that list played at one time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tough on Brad Johnson. Unless I am mistaken he made the pro bowl in 2002. i believe he then went to the skins. res ipsa loquitor.
El Presidente Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 i well remember that superbowl - very different time. i was travelling through africa on the back of a truck with a group and it was more than a month after the game before i could find the score or even who won. no phones/internet/anything. we finally came out of the jungle in the cameroons and i went to the american embassy. the marine on guard had no idea what to make of a grubby australian (showers very rare) trying to find out a superbowl score from a long time earlier. he would not tell me for ages - i'm sure he thought it was some sort of ruse. quite bizarre. did not get to see a replay for a very long time. still love that second quarter! It could be straight out of the mouth of Jacopo "J" Peterman from Seinfeld
Skyfall Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 It could be straight out of the mouth of Jacopo "J" Peterman from Seinfeld
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 It could be straight out of the mouth of Jacopo "J" Peterman from Seinfeld not if you saw how i was dressed. going through the sahara, we had an allocation of four small cups of water for washing, teethcleaning etc. per day. clothes went dirty brown. not pretty.
El Presidente Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 not if you saw how i was dressed. going through the sahara, we had an allocation of four small cups of water for washing, teethcleaning etc. per day. clothes went dirty brown. not pretty. Just like our video reviews!
Ken Gargett Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 Just like our video reviews! thank you, george clooney.
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Gonna make a list right now without looking at the link.... Joe Namath Bleacher must have had a 17 y/o intern write the list. Anyone who can say this obviously doesn't know the first thing about what he did, how he did it or the team they faced and beat in the Super Bowl. That team was beating everyone by 40+ points.
Dozerhead Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I just can't go along with Namath and Bradshaw on that list. I know that Namath's career numbers aren't good by any stretch and I think he was overrated to a certain degree, but he was the embodiment of that Jets team. And who knows how much better he could have been if the knee injuries hadn't taken there toll? As for Bradshaw, and I'm saying this as a former Oiler fan who had no love for the Steelers, he had some really good years in the late 70's as well as some excellent performances in the Super Bowl. The author of that article uses the passer rating as a measuring stick on some of his arguments and I think it is unfair, especially when evaluating QB's of the 70's and 80's. Heck, what would be considered a mediocre QB rating by today's standards could have potentially lead the league back in those more run happy days.
DrunkenMonkey Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Dozerhead, you're right. Bradshaw was one of the great ones. I wonder how long Tom Brady would have lasted back in the 70s when you were allowed to hit the QB. Bradshaw was tough as hell, and he earned those 4 rings. He deserves respect.
srbbones Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Gonna make a list right now without looking at the link.... Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson Joe Namath Doug Williams Joe Theisman Eli Manning Bart Starr Jim Plunkett Mark Rypien Jim McMahon In no particular order... This is a much better list!
Brickhouse Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Very surprised that Jim McMahon and Mark Rypien didn't make that list. Very happy Trent Dilfer did....I can't stand listening to him on the radio breaking down quarterbacks.....as if he's qualified.
Orion21 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Trent Dilfer was by far the worst. Look at his career stats: G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int 130 3,172 1,759 55.5 24.4 20,518 6.5 157.8 113 3.6 129
jimschn Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 How about the best to never win one? Two come to mind: Marino and Tarkenton
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