Smallclub Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 To the OP. I would look for maybe some senior members advice. Try to maybe see if El Pres has addressed it. Maybe Ajay Patel. Ajay Patel? I, and plenty others here have more experience than Ajay Patel (at least on this matter)… btw Rob being the exception most vendors are really poor advisers… Is the Regios a good candidate for aging? Yes, if you like aged cigars. But no one can tell you if your box of Regios will age well, or if you're going to like it more than a box of fresh Regios. Just like no one is able to tell if your box will undergo a sick period… 3
pbibby Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Ajay Patel? I, and plenty others here have more experience than Ajay Patel (at least on this matter)… btw Rob being the exception most vendors are really poor advisers… Is the Regios a good candidate for aging? Yes, if you like aged cigars. But no one can tell you if your box of Regios will age well, or if you're going to like it more than a box of fresh Regios. Just like no one is able to tell if your box will undergo a sick period… Okay.
pbibby Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Oh yeah. And I prefer the Serie A to the regios. JMVHO 1
aes8 Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Wow more threads like this and I might start posting again. Nice change from the standard circle jerks and ass kissing "me too" posts. I'll be surprised if this thread stays up much longer Oh and age the "A" not the Regios and age the cabs NOT the dress box. 1
HaterProof Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Piggy, as Jorge Padrón said: "I don't expect a consumer to spend $15 on a cigar and have to sit on it for two years. My job is to sit on the tobacco for 10 years or five years, your job is to smoke it as soon as you want to smoke it." -Matt 2
Orion21 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Smoked what you like OP. There are enough examples in our daily lives that tell us life is too short to smoke a bad cigar or put a box aside to "age." If you buy more than you smoke you will inadvertently end up with aged cigars. Before cigars I was a wine "collector." I started collecting wine as soon as I was able to buy it legally. What I have found out over 15+ years of buying wine, drinking a bottle or two, and then laying down the rest is this: You may have loved the product "fresh" and then get a nasty shock 5, 7 or 10+ years later that you do not like what it turned into. I have had this experience with thousands of dollars worth of wine. I loved it when released and drank a few, got more in, and laid it down. What I have found over the last few years, as some of mine wine has hit the 10, 15 and 20+ year mark, is that I do not enjoy it as much 'aged" as I did new. I have sold off a lot of my collection because I figured out the hard way I really do enjoy newer, fresher and brighter wines. I use this example because, in my experience, wine and cigars go hand in hand. If you like the Regios buy a few boxes and smoke them when you like. Cheers and happy smoking! 2
PigFish Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Piggy, as Jorge Padrón said: "I don't expect a consumer to spend $15 on a cigar and have to sit on it for two years. My job is to sit on the tobacco for 10 years or five years, your job is to smoke it as soon as you want to smoke it." -Matt Smoked what you like OP. There are enough examples in our daily lives that tell us life is too short to smoke a bad cigar or put a box aside to "age." If you buy more than you smoke you will inadvertently end up with aged cigars. Before cigars I was a wine "collector." I started collecting wine as soon as I was able to buy it legally. What I have found out over 15+ years of buying wine, drinking a bottle or two, and then laying down the rest is this: You may have loved the product "fresh" and then get a nasty shock 5, 7 or 10+ years later that you do not like what it turned into. I have had this experience with thousands of dollars worth of wine. I loved it when released and drank a few, got more in, and laid it down. What I have found over the last few years, as some of mine wine has hit the 10, 15 and 20+ year mark, is that I do not enjoy it as much 'aged" as I did new. I have sold off a lot of my collection because I figured out the hard way I really do enjoy newer, fresher and brighter wines. I use this example because, in my experience, wine and cigars go hand in hand. If you like the Regios buy a few boxes and smoke them when you like. Cheers and happy smoking!
polarbear Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 When it comes to aging, this is my view I once had a cigar that I enjoyed fresh, smoked through a whole box inside of a couple of months I then buy another box, with plans to put it down for a while because my thoughts at the time were "if its good now, it'll be great in 5 years" Fast forward 5 years and I crack that box of cigars, ready to see what my paitence had gifted me. I smoked one, then two, then 3, then half the box was gone. After 12 sticks were done I found that I didnt like this cigar anymore. All the flavors I had enjoyed when they were fresh had mellowed out and melded into the back ground of the profile. All the time and energy I'd spent ensuring these cigars were kept in a stable enviroment to ensure optimal aging was wasted. I put the half box back in the humi, I'll look at it again in a few years, simply to see how it changes. Since then I've bought, and smoked through, many of these boxes fresh, realizing that the cut off point for these sticks is 3 years for me. Thats where the profile i enjoy seems to drop off, so now i dont waste my money on cigars simply to see how they will age Now, when I buy a new box, I smoke one stick every couple of months, tracking how they change over time until that box is gone. I then look back at my notes and see at what point that cigar was at its best for me. If it takes 3 years, thats the starting point for the next box of that cigar I buy. If it took 12 months, I just smoke em til they're gone. If its still getting better and better when I smoke my last cigar from that box, I lay the next box down for a while and then start again. It might be the slower way of doing it, but it means I get to enjoy the cigars I've spent my money on rather than sitting on them for years at a time simply because someone told me they arent any good til they're X years old. Life is too short for that sort of crap 2
El Presidente Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I have always been a proponent of testing your stock regularly. if for you a cigar is a 94 then i can't see much benefit in waiting 5 years to see it become a 95/96. The flavours, vibrancy, intensity that made you consider that cigar a 94 may mute over those 5 years and the remaining cigars become a 90-92 for you. For someone else they maybe a 95. You have a unique set of tastes. For the love of god trust them The above scenario has happened many times to me. I still don't know why I didn't smoke my entire stash of HDM LE Piramides when they were released. gorgeous. Put them away for 5 years, revisited, ......it felt like someone stole their soul. On the other hand (as i have stated before), the Punch Super Robusto Regional 2006/7 was closed (flavour) at the initial tasting. Still it had something there. A potential. The quality of the tobacco was sublime, the aroma at cold rich. The flavour one of biscotti but not much else. At the time the other regional release from PCC was the RA Estupendo. It was streets ahead in delivering "now". if I remember correctly i called the Punch Super Robusto as the one that will age best. Fast forward 7 years and the call was right. The Punch Super Robusto turned into a behemoth of a cigar. It's evolution dwarfed that of the Estupendo. Today I believe it is the superior cigar (for my tastes). So what is my call on the subject? Some Cigars are best Fresh. For me the Regio is one. Some Cigars age well. They need to be good examples first. Some Cigars are bad fresh and bad aged. They are just Baaaaaaaad. The maduro 5 come to mind. You get a bad one (thick rough dry wrapper, poor blend and you can age them for 15 years and they will still taste like crap. However you get a good one (thin, dark, oily/shiny wrapper + good blend) and you have a fine cigar. I don't think they really improve with age. Not all tobacco leaf is equal. The blend for a CORO may be the same but the quality of its parts can vary widely. 4
MC4 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Another example for me would be Monte Sublime 2008. Excellent cigars when they were released. However, ever since last year, something happened to them and they all lost their twang, or "lost their soul" as Rob puts it.
Guybrush Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Another example for me would be Monte Sublime 2008. x2
polarbear Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Another example for me would be Monte Sublime 2008. Excellent cigars when they were released. However, ever since last year, something happened to them and they all lost their twang, or "lost their soul" as Rob puts it. Jeez, That was quick I've still got two boxes of them...
kittipong Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Like Polarbear, I still have few boxes of them. I think about to burn them all soon.
Hugomarink Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I bought a 50 cab of Regios a few years back that I believe were 2007s (my memory escapes me at the moment). That was one helluva consistent box in a really good way. They were excellent cigars and not a plugged one in the bunch. I have a handful left and the last couple I smoked about a month ago were still really good. The cigars did not change much over the 4-5 years I was smoking them, at least that I noticed. They were always good. I bought a recent vintage 25ct box of Regios about a year or so ago from Prez and smoked a few side by side with the older Regios and the newer ones were actually better! The flavor just seemed to "pop" more than on the aged Regios, which seemed slightly muted compared to the newer batch. They were both really good but the newer ones tasted slightly better. May have just been a better box? Maybe Regios are better fresh? Who knows? Either way, the Regio is always one of my favorite CCs. It's a "can't miss" cigar in my book.
aliz388 Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Have a 2011 box ie approx 4 years old, flavours are dull and musty. Love Regios but im definitely going to smoke them fresher from now on.
Cornell Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Wow more threads like this and I might start posting again. Nice change from the standard circle jerks and ass kissing "me too" posts. I'll be surprised if this thread stays up much longer X2!! Piggy, as Jorge Padrón said: "I don't expect a consumer to spend $15 on a cigar and have to sit on it for two years. My job is to sit on the tobacco for 10 years or five years, your job is to smoke it as soon as you want to smoke it." -Matt Yeah, problem is some Padron are unsmokeable ROTT.
Vortigan Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Not sure how or if it fits into the run of the thread but I've been smoking my way through a Jul '14 box of BRC that are absolutely stunning,I'd say 91/92.There's not a chance in hell that I'd be willing or able to leave them alone for even a year or two in the hope that they gain an extra 2 or 3 points.I'm not that patient and life is far too short.Apart from anything else,when it's present,I actually quite like that mongrel element to a cigar that Rob sometimes speaks of.The only marque that I can truly say that I find unpalatable when fresh is Cohiba,so I don't buy them.....and that makes my credit cards smile
nick2021 Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I bought a 50 cab of Regios a few years back that I believe were 2007s (my memory escapes me at the moment). That was one helluva consistent box in a really good way. They were excellent cigars and not a plugged one in the bunch. I have a handful left and the last couple I smoked about a month ago were still really good. The cigars did not change much over the 4-5 years I was smoking them, at least that I noticed. They were always good. I bought a recent vintage 25ct box of Regios about a year or so ago from Prez and smoked a few side by side with the older Regios and the newer ones were actually better! The flavor just seemed to "pop" more than on the aged Regios, which seemed slightly muted compared to the newer batch. They were both really good but the newer ones tasted slightly better. May have just been a better box? Maybe Regios are better fresh? Who knows? Either way, the Regio is always one of my favorite CCs. It's a "can't miss" cigar in my book. agree with you on this. I've really enjoyed some of the recent production regios....consistent for me so far.
mikemerry Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I know for me when it come to HDH EP2, I liked the box in Cuba a lot more... Smoked 3 in a row. Maybe two- three months later I find them now in the sick period and not worth smoking. I'm waiting for them to come out of the slump and being flavour bombs again. I know this is a cigar most like young, as do I. I find regios are similar in aging. But for me 2-3 year naps always seem to bring cigars back to life and eliminate that harshness in young cigars. For me that's was aging is for. Those Hoyo's didn't have any at first and that is what I need in young cigars. I smoked a Monty #4 with a green wrapper for Prez's junk cigar review. A 4 year old green wrapper was a 90-91 cigar and before that the 10 pack from a Cuban LCDH was one word.....Sht I just got a box of reggies yesterday so let this experiment continue. Good luck to everyone in the pursuit of fine cigars, booze and loose women! ...........even the finest women go through a sick period!
Quint Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 ...........even the finest women go through a sick period! Ya one week a month lol Not going to pretend I have the aging experience others have on this forum nor am I an expert or a connoisseur. I probably repeating what many have said but I've been smoking Cubans for about 20 years. Never had the patience nor resources to age for any real length of time, 5 years tops with a few exceptions. Most don't make it past the 3 year mark. I have had cigars that are excellent ROTT and have become more excellent over a 2 year period. I have had boxes that were okay ROTT and have become excellent over the 2 year period. I have had boxes that sucked ROTT and sucked in 2 years. I would say in my experience for my taste MOST boxes of cigars improve with age at least in the 1-3 year period, some slightly, some dramatically. I love sampling a cigar fresh and then again in 6 months, and then again in 6 months until that day comes when they are phenomenal and I smoke thru the box. Not based on scientific controlled experiment just based on fact of my experience.
stigmata Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 I was generously gifted three 1985 SLR serie A from a great guy who's also a cigar dealer in Melbourne All I can say is this is the best cigar I have ever had. A massive charge of blood orange in the end having built up from a strong citrus maybe orange. There was also a heap of toasted tobacco and some Java spice.. Cloves cinnamon pepper . This was a pre Habanos cigar and I can never know for sure but I reckon it's a different blend. I have had a bunch of SLRs usually the Regions and I can't believe any of them would have evolved into what I tried mid last year. Two to go. It was so intense in flavour I don't think they would mute any time soon. Makes the inside of my cheeks water just thinking about that smoke. I don't think I'll live long enough to age anything thirty years now. But I'd love to age an SLR and see what it tastes like in ten years and then twenty before hitting thirty. I suspect it wouldn't have the legs of that pre Habanos . Two to go just ain't enough!
RijkdeGooier Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 PigFish, Smallclub, El Prez all make the same point. Listen to it.
Quint Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 PigFish, Smallclub, El Prez all make the same point. Listen to it. Don't quite think so
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