Confrontation

[jangoman88]

When you get your rights taken away from you and you are made to feel guilty about having rights to begin with,the easiest thing to do is join the rest of the sheep in the "kool aid" line.

(ok so maybe it's more like 30% of the time.)

Haha love this Sky!

[Zigatoh]

All I reckon is the opinions saying lucky you weren't sued or what if he stabbed/shot you etc are the reason why the scum of the earth are winning.... You did good, and if everyone else had the balls to do the same in a similar situation we'd live in a much nicer world.

[Smallclub]

(ok so maybe it's more like 30% of the time.)

And it's 90% dedicated to tell how government is bad, how Europe, Canada and everybody else except the USA threw their basic rights out the window, how guns are a necessity, etc.

This is a cigar board, not Hyde Park's Speaker Corner…

[greenpimp]

That confrontation left a bitter aftertaste with me as I'm a docile person and maybe in hindsight I should have stepped in between them and tackled the situation in a more civil way.

What are your thoughts?

I am much like you; I am a pacifist that has been in multiple such confrontations over the years, (many in Boston and Vegas with drunk idiots.) There is no comfort in "justified violence" and I think you both acted admirable considering the circumstances, and should feel good that you have remaining qualms about your actions, however subdued. It means you are a caring, compassionate individual.

“The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral

begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.

Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.

Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate.

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.

[ptrthgr8]

It must be nice to have the comfort of knowing that you're always surrounded by well-armed rednecks.

Hell yes. Absolutely. I feel a much greater degree of safety in North Dakota than I ever did in Seattle. Everyone and their brother is armed in my neck of the woods. There are a lot of armed folks in Seattle, too, but not nearly the same proportionally. Most people in Seattle still think the cops are there to protect you (even though there have been federal-level court rulings indicating that's not the case at all).

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert Heinlein

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

[Skyfall]

And it's 90% dedicated to tell how government is bad, how Europe, Canada and everybody else except the USA threw their basic rights out the window, how guns are a necessity, etc.

This is a cigar board, not Hyde Park's Speaker Corner…

Nawwwww, mainly just guns, good try though ami! You receive a flower for your effforts.

reminder (I didn't start any of these threads, or pose any of the questions to other members who are free to answer with their own opinion and enjoy freedom of speech and a backbone)

A conversation or debate without differing opinions is merely a lecture.

There was a time when France really appreciated USA and our guns......remember???

[ptrthgr8]

This is a cigar board, not Hyde Park's Speaker Corner…

Here's what the Water Hole description states: "Talk about whatever you like....the water hole is where we gather."

So, this site is primarily for cigars, of course, but this forum is specifically open to general discussion.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

[Hubba]

When you get your rights taken away from you and you are made to feel guilty about having rights to begin with,the easiest thing to do is join the rest of the sheep in the "kool aid" line.

(ok so maybe it's more like 30% of the time.)

nice response to a simple statement......feels like I'm watching Fox news. I don't like Fox news.

[Smallclub]

There was a time when France really appreciated USA and our guns......remember???

Did I say anything against guns? And for the record I'm the owner of an illegal (non declared) shot gun.

And there was a time America (not USA yet) appreciated France, its soldiers and its guns…

[Orion21]

From the age of 8 until my early 20's I studied Kenpo and Aikido and I was thought that with great power comes great responsibility. In the case of martial arts the power is knowing how to injury and possibly kill quickly and efficiently. The responsibility is to never ever use what you have learned unless you have no choice. I have only used what I learned twice in my life. Once defending a female classmate from a gang member in high school and again defending a girl from an abusive boyfriend at a college party. Both times simply applying a short burst of pain brought two large hormone filled guys to the ground and defused the situation. Also, both times it was women being assaulted by men.

Pacifism is only possible due to the protection provided by others who are willing to fight. If you have loved ones or a family it is your responsibility to protect them or remove them from any situation you deem to be possibly dangerous. If you don't you have failed. Personally I would never just get into a fight for stupid reasons. I am rarely intoxicated and am normally the one who is trying to defuse situations (at least when I was younger, lol). However, if my wife were threatened by a drunk who threatened to "beat" her if she didn't stop talking he would be quickly on the ground. You are 100% justified to subdue someone who you feel may threaten bodily harm to you or a loved one. You may not be in the right to use deadly force and I absolutely wouldn't support anyone just pulling out a weapon and "teaching someone lesson." If for whatever reason you don't "believe" in "violence" think of the alternative. What if the OP's wife had been assaulted by this drunk, or worse? How would it make you feel as a husband/man to know you could have done something, but chose not to? How anyone second guesses themselves for protecting their family is beyond me.

[ptrthgr8]

...and there was a time America (not USA yet) appreciated France, its soldiers and its guns…

You raise a pretty good point here. It pains me to no end how very little most Americans today know about the birth of these United States. It's sad, really.

So, it seems you're both right.

~ Greg ~

[stogieluver]

I think we should move on to another subject now. We've nothing to gain by discussing this any further.

Peace.

I hope everyone has a great weekend. Me...my Rebels are going to get the #^*@ kicked out of them by the LSU Tigers and I'm not going to be very happy about that.

Oh well, maybe my NFL Pick 'em choices will be better than last week's and I'll move up in the rankings.

[DrunkenMonkey]

I find far too often that people synonymously use the term. "Redneck" as the same as "white trash ", "hillbilly", "ignorant" ect. They are not the same, and I personally don't think there is anything negative or derogatory or inferior about the term "redneck". I do understand how the majority of the population can make the erroneous mistake of confusing them however.

To answer your question sincerely, disregarding the condescending sarcasm, it absolutely makes me feel more comfortable!

redneck[ red-nek ]

noun

1. an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.

2. a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.

adjective

1. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.

This is the dictionary definition of 'redneck'. If the word means something different to you that's fine, but don't be disappointed if others think that the word means what it actually means.

And while my statement was sarcastic, it was in no way condescending. I have nothing against rednecks. I also have no problem with guns, and own some myself. But the point I was making is that I do not feel more comfortable when surrounded by uneducated, bigoted, politically reactionary, narrow-minded people with guns. If you do, I don't think any less of you. In fact, I would have to have a certain respect for someone who is more comfortable when surrounded by these sorts of armed people.

[ptrthgr8]

I stopped watching the show before the end of last season because it started to insist upon itself... but this is certainly true. Imagine all of the city folk who would end up zombies because they spent all of their time making fun of rednecks and not enough time learning how to take care of themselves. Most of them are lucky they can tie their shoes without the aid of an iPad of some sort. Good lord... what would happen if they had to provide their own food and shelter?

Yup... it's all fun and games until the zombies show up.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

[stogieluver]

redneck[ red-nek ]

noun

1. an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.

2. a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.

adjective

1. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.

This is the dictionary definition of 'redneck'. If the word means something different to you that's fine, but don't be disappointed if others think that the word means what it actually means.

And while my statement was sarcastic, it was in no way condescending. I have nothing against rednecks. I also have no problem with guns, and own some myself. But the point I was making is that I do not feel more comfortable when surrounded by uneducated, bigoted, politically reactionary, narrow-minded people with guns. If you do, I don't think any less of you. In fact, I would have to have a certain respect for someone who is more comfortable when surrounded by these sorts of armed people.

Now that's funny right there.

[Skyfall]

redneck[ red-nek ]

noun

1. an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.

2. a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.

adjective

1. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude.

This is the dictionary definition of 'redneck'. If the word means something different to you that's fine, but don't be disappointed if others think that the word means what it actually means.

And while my statement was sarcastic, it was in no way condescending. I have nothing against rednecks. I also have no problem with guns, and own some myself. But the point I was making is that I do not feel more comfortable when surrounded by uneducated, bigoted, politically reactionary, narrow-minded people with guns. If you do, I don't think any less of you. In fact, I would have to have a certain respect for someone who is more comfortable when surrounded by these sorts of armed people.

I strongly and staunchly remain by my statement (a statement of fact from actual experience and regional aptitude) that your dictionary definition of "Redneck" is highly inaccurate and mistaken for a different derogatory term.

Some of the most "redneck" people I know, including my self, are Judges, highly educated business owners, millionaire and highly educated farmers and ranchers, attorney's, doctors, financial advisors and a myriad of other hard working good ole boys who live by a code, live off the land, one with nature, not caught up in "keeping up with the Jones' or material class reflection and take care of, protect and provide for their families by any means necessary! We've been hunting and fishing for actual food on our tables, since we could walk. We maintain and portray chivalry, loyalty, honor, integrity and patriotism. We talk the talk and walk the walk. We are an integral part of our communities, helping those in need and making sure out communities are stronger as a whole. We take on a responsibility and fiduciary duty to provide, defend and protect the ones less fortunate than us, and do so anonymously expecting nothing in return. We work on our own cars, and fix our own problems. We are a part of the solutions in society not the problems, We raise our kids right and with morals and instill in them the same codes of humility, honesty, hard work, integrity, honor, loyalty, morality and service. We are the minority, we are the strong fist of unity for the weak, we are the lost heritage.

Rednecks we are, and Rednecks we will always be! It has nothing to do with being poor or ignorant.

[stogieluver]

I strongly and staunchly remain by my statement (a statement of fact from actual experience and regional aptitude) that your dictionary definition of "Redneck" is highly inaccurate and mistaken for a different derogatory term.

Some of the most "redneck" people I know, including my self, are Judges, highly educated business owners, millionaire and highly educated farmers and ranchers, attorney's, doctors, financial advisors and a myriad of other hard working good ole boys who live by a code, live off the land, one with nature, not caught up in "keeping up with the Jones' or material class reflection and take care of, protect and provide for their families by any means necessary! We've been hunting and fishing for actual food on our tables, since we could walk. We maintain and portray chivalry, loyalty, honor, integrity and patriotism. We talk the talk and walk the walk. We are an integral part of our communities, helping those in need and making sure out communities are stronger as a whole. We take on a responsibility and fiduciary duty to provide, defend and protect the ones less fortunate than us, and do so anonymously expecting nothing in return. We work on our own cars, and fix our own problems. We are a part of the solutions in society not the problems, We raise our kids right and with morals and instill in them the same codes of humility, honesty, hard work, integrity, honor, loyalty, morality and service. We are the minority, we are the strong fist of unity for the weak, we are the lost heritage.

Rednecks we are, and Rednecks we will always be! It has nothing to do with being poor or ignorant.

X 1000

Thank you for clearing that up for those (I WAS going to say "up north" but rednecks are everywhere other than big cities) who don't understand.

[Skyfall]

X 1000

Thank you for clearing that up for those (I WAS going to say "up north" but rednecks are everywhere other than big cities) who don't understand.

Thanks, I figured you would get it. Sometimes things stick in my craw worse than others.

I'm not sure how this thread even got to the point of defining and thusly defending rednecks, but , I guess worse has happened.

If we are on this forum enjoying good cigars with good family and good friends and good life, I reckon we are all pretty lucky and fortunate compared to most of the world, we should all find common thread in that.

[Cohiba Stevie]

Man I wish I lived in Texas....

[stogieluver]

Man I wish I lived in Texas....

I'm thinking of moving there when they secede from the union.

[cigcars]

Zimmerman did it because he was attacked, it wasnt like Martin was innocent in the matter. Like Skyfall said, should he (Z) used better discretion in the matter? sure, but we werent in his situation. The evidence and jury showed that he was within his legal rights. Im not saying it was cool or way to go zimmerman, but when it comes to your rights in the states thats what they are.

A friend of mine, her son in law got into a verbal argument with this guy over a basketball hit his car. At first he asked some kids playing what happened and they didnt know, a few minutes later this older kid/guy came up and asked why he was harassing his cousins/friends. He stated that he wasnt harrassing but wondered who hit his car with a basketball, which left a scuff mark. After some more talking it lead to arguing and the older kid pulled out a gun and shot my friends son in law multiple times and actually said in so many words "take that and in the name of zimmerman or something like that" , well my friends son in law pulled through and that other guy is in jail. It happened near Pittsburgh, PA and about 2 or so months ago if you want to check up on the story. I'm giving my interpretation of what she told me and what I read. To me that guy that pulled the gun was in the wrong and had no right to shoot her SIL, and unfortunately those are the idiots who will look at that law and think they can pull that kind of BS. As far as I know the gunman is in jail, but I havent talked to her in a month or so and dont really know.

*I tried and tried and tried and tried to not let your view bug me. But since it's here (and I'll make it quick) it's called "Neighborhood WATCH." Again, Neighborhood WATCH." At no time was this big dumb lug supposed to GET OUT of his car, FOLLOW some kid who was doing nothing but going home...If it had been 3 or 4 Martins this dude Z would have kept his butt in his car like police dispatch TOLD HIM TO. We only have HIS version. If some dude is following YOU, then grabs YOU which was heard on the phone records, and you're 17...in this day and age of pedophiles, etc. And it was 7pm when this occurred in case of any "what was he doing out at night?" statements occur. HE attacked the kid and Martin was trying to defend himself...as I said how hard would YOU fight - and the guy pulls a gun on you too? Whew! You'd fight and scream for help too, wouldn't you? What if Martin was armed? He wasn't but you're finding HIM at fault??? Zimmerman didn't even identify who he was or what HE was doing in the area to this youngster.

[DrunkenMonkey]

*I tried and tried and tried and tried to not let your view bug me. But since it's here (and I'll make it quick) it's called "Neighborhood WATCH." Again, Neighborhood WATCH." At no time was this big dumb lug supposed to GET OUT of his car, FOLLOW some kid who was doing nothing but going home...If it had been 3 or 4 Martins this dude Z would have kept his butt in his car like police dispatch TOLD HIM TO. We only have HIS version. If some dude is following YOU, then grabs YOU which was heard on the phone records, and you're 17...in this day and age of pedophiles, etc. And it was 7pm when this occurred in case of any "what was he doing out at night?" statements occur. HE attacked the kid and Martin was trying to defend himself...as I said how hard would YOU fight - and the guy pulls a gun on you too? Whew! You'd fight and scream for help too, wouldn't you? What if Martin was armed? He wasn't but you're finding HIM at fault??? Zimmerman didn't even identify who he was or what HE was doing in the area to this youngster.

Amen

[ptrthgr8]

*I tried and tried and tried and tried to not let your view bug me. But since it's here (and I'll make it quick) it's called "Neighborhood WATCH." Again, Neighborhood WATCH." At no time was this big dumb lug supposed to GET OUT of his car, FOLLOW some kid who was doing nothing but going home...If it had been 3 or 4 Martins this dude Z would have kept his butt in his car like police dispatch TOLD HIM TO. We only have HIS version. If some dude is following YOU, then grabs YOU which was heard on the phone records, and you're 17...in this day and age of pedophiles, etc. And it was 7pm when this occurred in case of any "what was he doing out at night?" statements occur. HE attacked the kid and Martin was trying to defend himself...as I said how hard would YOU fight - and the guy pulls a gun on you too? Whew! You'd fight and scream for help too, wouldn't you? What if Martin was armed? He wasn't but you're finding HIM at fault??? Zimmerman didn't even identify who he was or what HE was doing in the area to this youngster.

Wow. Sounds like you were there. You know exactly what happened and what those two were thinking and feeling at the time. Pretty amazing. Why didn't you show up to testify at the trial? I'm sure they would have loved to hear from you. Because you were there and all.

<sigh>

Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD

[CaptainQuintero]

This thread smells funny..did someone leave it out in the Sun too long? :S

[smokeduck]

On this side of the world Brits are called rednecks...mostly the sun

cf initial topic, these days it's become a dying privilege to solve issues among people peacefully, constructively and in good faith. Moments to be cherished...