OZ DJs prank call to Kate's Hospital

[PigFish]

I find it interesting as usual, that the hardest line of anyone here blaming the hoaxers is the one also condemning others and inferring that the morality of others, including those on this board is defective. Is not almost always the case, where the one claiming superhuman sensitivity is the first here to start with insulting others?

Lets consider this for a moment. If I were to suggest that the hoaxers were not responsible and by my inference I am lumped into the group were I am accused of indecent or perhaps even sub-human behavior, where I am subsequently embarrassed by the public display of another... right here, in front of my highly respected peer group and take my own life, is the careless poster of that stupid statement that ridiculed or derided me responsible for my death?

It is interesting the deep lines that are drawn by those who are alway wanting more laws, a larger net of responsibility, more rules to the extent that freedom no longer exists. Not even humor can exist in their mastermind constructed world. Because if that humor affects another negatively, they are liable for it. That is of course unless they are the instigators of such humor. They sit behind their keyboards, deriding others, exhibiting the exact behavior that they themselves condemn, and ignore that fact that with their deriding remarks they could actually precipitate the same type of event based on their own defective thinking! Their situation is always different somehow. Of course, they are the masterminds!

I thought the prank call was funny. It is still funny!!! The fact that some troubled person killed herself, in this situation is not at all funny. They are separate events. There are likely millions of independent events that played a role in this situation. How far does it go? Is the phone company responsible because it carried the message? Was her antidepressant dosage wrong? Were there millions of signals by friends and co-workers that were ignored? Are they responsible too? Is the world responsible?

I am for personal responsibility. Yes, a person was killed here BY HER OWN HAND. Many were hurt by a stupid decision made by a troubled person. Hell, if laughing at a joke makes me deranged because someone, somewhere killed himself over it, somewhere, or somehow then I am deranged. The fact is then, so are all the rest of you no matter how sensitive you claim to be.

This logic of retroactive remorse over humor is just plain stupid! The joke did not change from being funny to not funny. The joke remains funny, the death of a troubled human being is not. I don't believe in the "force." Therefore the world is not responsible.

I know a man, a friend of mine, who committed suicide over his divorce. Based on the retroactive logic model, all divorce should be illegal and the ex-wife, who precipitated the event should be in prison. Look at where this illogic takes us!!!

-the Pig

[mazolaman]

Lets consider this for a moment. If I were to suggest that the hoaxers were not responsible and by my inference I am lumped into the group were I am accused of indecent or perhaps even sub-human behavior, where I am subsequently embarrassed by the public display of another... right here, in front of my highly respected peer group and take my own life, is the careless poster of that stupid statement that ridiculed or derided me responsible for my death?

This statement ignores the fact that people fraudulently impersonated somebody to obtain information, where as a forum is just that, an open forum.

if laughing at a joke

This wasn't a joke, it was a fraudulent attempt to gain information, by impersonation.

I like to joke, and being English, I like to laugh at my own nation too.

But, we all are told, as children, that you can take a prank too far. This is the sad grown up version of that.

troubled human being is not

Where is the evidence that she was previously troubled?

This was a prank gone wrong, by gutter media (we have lots of those too). http://www.guardian....ck-jock-station Link to previous funny jokes.

The lady's response was also much further than the whole thing deserved.

I think we have all sometimes, at the very least feel like **** for the mistakes we make, rather than saying we did nothing wrong.

the ex-wife, who precipitated the event should be in prison.

I agree!

It is interesting the deep lines that are drawn by those who are alway wanting more laws, a larger net of responsibility, more rules to the extent that freedom no longer exists. Not even humor can exist in their mastermind constructed world.

This is an assumption based on your own opinion.

I thought the prank call was funny. It is still funny!!! The fact that some troubled person killed herself, in this situation is not at all funny. They are separate events.

There is, as yet, no evidence that this person was previously troubled.

This also ignores the deep sense of shame this poor woman must have felt, even though no action from her employers was to be taken against her. I cannot imagine how horrible it must feel to be induced (the station timed their call well, after the receptionist went home) in to one cock up, that makes you feel like you let your country down.

Was her antidepressant dosage wrong?

This is another assumption.

[CaptainQuintero]

To be fair (and this is going off topic) Pig your logic can be used by someone selling AK-47s to people arming child soldiers in Africa and then standing back and saying "It's personal responsibility, me selling these guns is just one small event. I just provide a service, I'm not the one pulling the trigger."

Extremes of any opinion/belief/system/diktat/behaviour are the cause of the World's problems. People have this crazy idea that the way to beat one extreme is to fight it with another extreme and then they get all upset when the problems never go away or get worse.

The two extremes of this case would be to:

-Ban jokes, there are too many bad things which can go wrong.

-Say that the DJs have no reason to be sorry and if anything, their display of freedom of speech should be celebrated.

Or the middle ground, which is the DJs should take some of that personal responsibility and stand up, apologise for their actions and make some kind of gesture to a mental health charity.

[gostgost]

If you dont agree, your entitled to you own opinion, but ask yourself, what does that say about you?

Joe,

So very happy you wrote this, I can't agree with you more!

This is such a sad event for this family and for anyone not to think that these jerks weren't the cause of this women death really don't understand life. We don't know what was going to be done to this women by her job. The BBC stated nothing who's to say that's true? The BBC the hospital? Of course they are going to say that now that she is dead!

I know about the stress put on these nurses and the hours they put in first hand. My mother was a nurse for more than 50 years and you think about this for a moment "come home as a teenager and find blood all over your house and no body home call the police to see if any emergency was called in. Next the phone is ringing, it's the hospital where your mother works, David where is your mother we can't find her and she is on duty!" The phone rings again the call is another hospital stating we have your mother!

The stress finally broke her. She had tried to commit suicide. Today she is better but not the same person that have known all my life, the spark, the jokes, the fun is gone from her.

I hope all their sponsors drop them, they are idiots! The number one reason I never listen to any of them, they are not funny!

[PigFish]

Lets consider this for a moment. If I were to suggest that the hoaxers were not responsible and by my inference I am lumped into the group were I am accused of indecent or perhaps even sub-human behavior, where I am subsequently embarrassed by the public display of another... right here, in front of my highly respected peer group and take my own life, is the careless poster of that stupid statement that ridiculed or derided me responsible for my death?

This statement ignores the fact that people fraudulently impersonated somebody to obtain information, where as a forum is just that, an open forum.

I made no comment on the legality of the call itself. This is a different discussion.

if laughing at a joke

This wasn't a joke, it was a fraudulent attempt to gain information, by impersonation.

I like to joke, and being English, I like to laugh at my own nation too.

But, we all are told, as children, that you can take a prank too far. This is the sad grown up version of that.

If there are law for this and they have broken them then they are guilty of breaking those laws! Again, a different topic!

troubled human being is not

Where is the evidence that she was previously troubled?

Are you serious? Do you not call a person who kills herself "troubled?" Who is ignoring the evidence here?

This was a prank gone wrong, by gutter media (we have lots of those too). http://www.guardian....ck-jock-station Link to previous funny jokes.

The lady's response was also much further than the whole thing deserved.

You are right here, perhaps you might assume then that she was troubled!!!

I think we have all sometimes, at the very least feel like **** for the mistakes we make, rather than saying we did nothing wrong.

the ex-wife, who precipitated the event should be in prison.

I agree!

I figured you would.

It is interesting the deep lines that are drawn by those who are alway wanting more laws, a larger net of responsibility, more rules to the extent that freedom no longer exists. Not even humor can exist in their mastermind constructed world.

This is an assumption based on your own opinion.

Yes, and the overall position of the persons' who have written their opinions over and over on this site. It is not a guess, it is a judgement, mine, based on the writings of others!

I thought the prank call was funny. It is still funny!!! The fact that some troubled person killed herself, in this situation is not at all funny. They are separate events.

There is, as yet, no evidence that this person was previously troubled.

I have made a value judgement. And you ignore the obvious. Troubled people kill themselves sometimes. If the obvious is elusive to you then we have no means to have a conversation on the matter. Do you believe then that she was of sound mind? What other evedence do you need that she was troubled? Did she have to write, "I am troubled" on paper before killing herself for you to come to that conclusion?

This also ignores the deep sense of shame this poor woman must have felt, even though no action from her employers was to be taken against her. I cannot imagine how horrible it must feel to be induced (the station timed their call well, after the receptionist went home) in to one cock up, that makes you feel like you let your country down.

"Poor Woman!" No, no, no... If I cannot presume, neither can you! By poor, do you mean troubled???

If she did not kill herself and became the next reality series queen would the 'station and the DJ's' be heros to you? Would they be entitled to a large part of her earnings?

Was her antidepressant dosage wrong?

This is another assumption.

This was a bit of a jab on how persons that to blame others for their own behavior think, and that in many cases they ultimately sue another for their own mistakes.

Anyone want to bet some cigars that lawsuits ensue as a result of this?

[mazolaman]

mazolaman, on 08 December 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Lets consider this for a moment. If I were to suggest that the hoaxers were not responsible and by my inference I am lumped into the group were I am accused of indecent or perhaps even sub-human behavior, where I am subsequently embarrassed by the public display of another... right here, in front of my highly respected peer group and take my own life, is the careless poster of that stupid statement that ridiculed or derided me responsible for my death?

This statement ignores the fact that people fraudulently impersonated somebody to obtain information, where as a forum is just that, an open forum.

I made no comment on the legality of the call itself. This is a different discussion.

No, it is an important aspect of this situation.

if laughing at a joke

This wasn't a joke, it was a fraudulent attempt to gain information, by impersonation.

I like to joke, and being English, I like to laugh at my own nation too.

But, we all are told, as children, that you can take a prank too far. This is the sad grown up version of that.

If there are law for this and they have broken them then they are guilty of breaking those laws! Again, a different topic!

It is reduces what has become a horrible situation to a joke, by means of comparison.

troubled human being is not

Where is the evidence that she was previously troubled?

Are you serious? Do you not call a person who kills herself "troubled?" Who is ignoring the evidence here?

She was definitely troubled AFTER the call.

This was a prank gone wrong, by gutter media (we have lots of those too). http://www.guardian....ck-jock-station Link to previous funny jokes.

The lady's response was also much further than the whole thing deserved.

You are right here, perhaps you might assume then that she was troubled!!!

Yes, after the event, but there is no evidence of her being troubled before the hoax call.

I think we have all sometimes, at the very least feel like **** for the mistakes we make, rather than saying we did nothing wrong.

the ex-wife, who precipitated the event should be in prison.

I agree!

I figured you would.

You see, that was a joke, but nobody died as a result of it.

It is interesting the deep lines that are drawn by those who are alway wanting more laws, a larger net of responsibility, more rules to the extent that freedom no longer exists. Not even humor can exist in their mastermind constructed world.

This is an assumption based on your own opinion.

Yes, and the overall position of the persons' who have written their opinions over and over on this site. It is not a guess, it is a judgement, mine, based on the writings of others!

Me? Everyone? Are we all out to remove humour from the world?

I thought the prank call was funny. It is still funny!!! The fact that some troubled person killed herself, in this situation is not at all funny. They are separate events.

There is, as yet, no evidence that this person was previously troubled.

I have made a value judgement. And you ignore the obvious. Troubled people kill themselves sometimes. If the obvious is elusive to you then we have no means to have a conversation on the matter. Do you believe then that she was of sound mind? What other evedence do you need that she was troubled? Did she have to write, "I am troubled" on paper before killing herself for you to come to that conclusion?

Again,I repeat, she obviously was troubled after the hoax call, but before?

This also ignores the deep sense of shame this poor woman must have felt, even though no action from her employers was to be taken against her. I cannot imagine how horrible it must feel to be induced (the station timed their call well, after the receptionist went home) in to one cock up, that makes you feel like you let your country down.

"Poor Woman!" No, no, no... If I cannot presume, neither can you! By poor, do you mean troubled???

I was expressing sympathy, a human emotion, towards someone who had been induced into feeling terrible. For a joke.

If she did not kill herself and became the next reality series queen would the 'station and the DJ's' be heros to you? Would they be entitled to a large part of her earnings?

Not my heroes no.

Was her antidepressant dosage wrong?

This is another assumption.

This was a bit of a jab on how persons that to blame others for their own behavior think, and that in many cases they ultimately sue another for their own mistakes.

Well, she won't be suing anyone.

Would you suggest that the DJs have no reason for remorse in this?

For the record, I'm sure they feel terrible, as most human beings would.

Anyone want to bet some cigars that lawsuits ensue as a result of this?

[mazolaman]

If you dont agree, your entitled to you own opinion, but ask yourself, what does that say about you?

Joe,

So very happy you wrote this, I can't agree with you more!

This is such a sad event for this family and for anyone not to think that these jerks weren't the cause of this women death really don't understand life. We don't know what was going to be done to this women by her job. The BBC stated nothing who's to say that's true? The BBC the hospital? Of course they are going to say that now that she is dead!

I know about the stress put on these nurses and the hours they put in first hand. My mother was a nurse for more than 50 years and you think about this for a moment "come home as a teenager and find blood all over your house and no body home call the police to see if any emergency was called in. Next the phone is ringing, it's the hospital where your mother works, David where is your mother we can't find her and she is on duty!" The phone rings again the call is another hospital stating we have your mother!

The stress finally broke her. She had tried to commit suicide. Today she is better but not the same person that have known all my life, the spark, the jokes, the fun is gone from her.

I hope all their sponsors drop them, they are idiots! The number one reason I never listen to any of them, they are not funny!

Sorry to read this mate, it is awful that important workers like nurses are worked to these extremes, for not much money.

I'm positive that these DJs would never have wished for this result.

[PigFish]

Would you suggest that the DJs have no reason for remorse in this?

This I did not suggest. Nor will I suggest that, 'most, normal, feeling, compassionate, moral, blah, blah, blah...' people think like me and that those that don't are defective. I don't shroud myself in a garment of my perception of what society would do and use it as an argument. I stand on the comments made, noting more and nothing less.

I am not defending actions. I a condemning a mindset and a post that says that myself and others are defective as a result of a specific situation and how we feel about it.

I really have little interest in this subject except that a poster, through a backhanded means took it upon himself to deride other members who don't feel as he does. The post, IMHO, did more than specify his opinion on the topic, it took to deriding others in a broad way that I don't agree with.

I am guilty of the same by means of posting a specific paragraph, intentionally. I thought it might he helpful to explain what it feels like to be lumped into a group and derided!!!

-Piggy

[AverageJoe83]

If you dont agree, your entitled to you own opinion, but ask yourself, what does that say about you?

This was meant as a philosophical question, not an opening for arguemeant.

Clearly I am evil.

Not at all what I meant clearly the idea posed went over your head.

It is interesting the deep lines that are drawn by those who are alway wanting more laws, a larger net of responsibility, more rules to the extent that freedom no longer exists. Not even humor can exist in their mastermind constructed world. Because if that humor affects another negatively, they are liable for it. That is of course unless they are the instigators of such humor. They sit behind their keyboards, deriding others, exhibiting the exact behavior that they themselves condemn, and ignore that fact that with their deriding remarks they could actually precipitate the same type of event based on their own defective thinking! Their situation is always different somehow. Of course, they are the masterminds!

I find it interesting that I pose a question and you view it as an act of condemnation. The logical thought process would then conclude that if it is viewed as condemnation, then it is you yourself condemning yourself which speaks volumes on its own.

I thought the prank call was funny. It is still funny!!! The fact that some troubled person killed herself, in this situation is not at all funny. They are separate events.

Even when the story broke there were many of us who did not find it funny, but childish and immature.

I am for personal responsibility. Yes, a person was killed here BY HER OWN HAND. Many were hurt by a stupid decision made by a troubled person. Hell, if laughing at a joke makes me deranged because someone, somewhere killed himself over it, somewhere, or somehow then I am deranged. The fact is then, so are all the rest of you no matter how sensitive you claim to be.

I never inferred that anyones mental status was in question(deranged), I simply set a question about peoples morals and compassion for their fellow man.

This logic of retroactive remorse over humor is just plain stupid! The joke did not change from being funny to not funny. The joke remains funny, the death of a troubled human being is not. I don't believe in the "force." Therefore the world is not responsible.

It never was funny.

I know a man, a friend of mine, who committed suicide over his divorce. Based on the retroactive logic model, all divorce should be illegal and the ex-wife, who precipitated the event should be in prison. Look at where this illogic takes us!!!

Apples to oranges, utter incoherent nonsense.

-the Pig

To be fair (and this is going off topic) Pig your logic can be used by someone selling AK-47s to people arming child soldiers in Africa and then standing back and saying "It's personal responsibility, me selling these guns is just one small event. I just provide a service, I'm not the one pulling the trigger."

Extremes of any opinion/belief/system/diktat/behaviour are the cause of the World's problems. People have this crazy idea that the way to beat one extreme is to fight it with another extreme and then they get all upset when the problems never go away or get worse.

The two extremes of this case would be to:

-Ban jokes, there are too many bad things which can go wrong.

-Say that the DJs have no reason to be sorry and if anything, their display of freedom of speech should be celebrated.

Or the middle ground, which is the DJs should take some of that personal responsibility and stand up, apologise for their actions and make some kind of gesture to a mental health charity.

+1

[AverageJoe83]

If you dont agree, your entitled to you own opinion, but ask yourself, what does that say about you?

Joe,

So very happy you wrote this, I can't agree with you more!

This is such a sad event for this family and for anyone not to think that these jerks weren't the cause of this women death really don't understand life. We don't know what was going to be done to this women by her job. The BBC stated nothing who's to say that's true? The BBC the hospital? Of course they are going to say that now that she is dead!

I know about the stress put on these nurses and the hours they put in first hand. My mother was a nurse for more than 50 years and you think about this for a moment "come home as a teenager and find blood all over your house and no body home call the police to see if any emergency was called in. Next the phone is ringing, it's the hospital where your mother works, David where is your mother we can't find her and she is on duty!" The phone rings again the call is another hospital stating we have your mother!

The stress finally broke her. She had tried to commit suicide. Today she is better but not the same person that have known all my life, the spark, the jokes, the fun is gone from her.

I hope all their sponsors drop them, they are idiots! The number one reason I never listen to any of them, they are not funny!

I am sorry to hear this, I too know the stress put on the profession my mother in the early years of my childhood was a nurse as well and she would come home ragged worn out and just plain exhausted, thankfully when my sister came along she gave it up as it is a hard profession to balance with a family. I am glad to hear that your mother is better now, though without the same spark I'm sure it is still tragic.

[Trevor2118]

This is just getting too personal. Thread closed.