Ken Gargett Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 leaving aside the merits, or otherwise, of the mining tax, it has now been revealed, according to reports just published in the press, that our government had the greens sign a non-confidentiality agreement as to the benefits they conceded to the greens (apparently something like $100 million worth) in order to get the greens to agree to support the tax. our elected officials are doing secret deals to pass legislation. i can't think of many actions that i have ever seen that i think are worse than this. it smacks of the most extraordinarry arrogance by both parties. no doubt when the election comes, the scum from both of these parties (and i have no doubt that abbott would also lie to his family for a sniff of a vote) will tell us all about how transparent they will be, how they support open government. if you get the government you deserve, then we are simply the worst people that have ever lived. why aren't these people all in jail? do they think we really are so stupid that we will just assume that they know best. i don't usually wish harm on anyone but i sincerely wish an extremely slow and painful death on both gillard and brown. and the sooner the better. and take the rest of the swill with them. seriously, either of these grubs go under a bus before christmas, and i will go to church and give thanks.
riazp Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 all fine and dandy Ken, but why is this posted in the photo gallery forum?
rckymtn22 Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 He was about to post a picture of the scum
riazp Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 I think Ken is getting old and senile if you ask me...first stoping grapes in his underwear ( i still have nightmares about that) then a 7 paragraph post about his love for buffy ( i wish i could have those 6 minutes of my life back) now this...
Ken Gargett Posted November 23, 2011 Author Posted November 23, 2011 sorry guys, no idea why that went to photos? how does one re-locate it? i suspect satotage by the scum. and if i may, re buffy, i merely indicated it was a better show than some of the current drivel. i think too much may have been made of this.
El Presidente Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Moved..... Thanks for helping out the Newbies Trev :rotfl:
Colt45 Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 .......and i will go to church and give thanks. It's been a while - you'll probably need a new outfit......
Ken Gargett Posted November 23, 2011 Author Posted November 23, 2011 It's been a while - you'll probably need a new outfit...... if it would bring about the desired result, i'd kit up now.
CanuckSARTech Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 LOL. Oh my gawd, Colt!!!! That's freakin' AWESOME!!!!
Fuzz AI Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 It's been a while - you'll probably need a new outfit...... Congrats Ken on your promotion! You come along way from this: to Pope!
CanuckSARTech Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 LOL. Nicely played, Ross. I bow to you, sir. Well done!
Montaigut Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Complete scum?? I dunno Ken... the competition is fierce for the title!
laficion Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 i can't think of many actions that i have ever seen that i think are worse than this. it smacks of the most extraordinarry arrogance by both parties. Ken, I'm sorry to say this, but what upsets me most is not what you have posted but rather the fact that you still believe , naively , in politics and politicians and , even more upseting, that some could go as far as to tell you the truth.
frenchkiwi Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 they're applying standard corporate/commercial practices to their wheeling and dealing in politics... incredibly stupid. no surprises at parties or MPs doing backdoor deals with each other - that has never NOT happened. But very surprised at the formal signing of a confidentiality contract - if the info leaks out (or is broached to parliament under parliamentary privilege) what do they do, sue each other in the courts? Yeah right. too many commercial lawyers or ex-corporate penguins in those parties obviously.
Van55 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 And U.S. politics are off limits? let's expand the ban globally.
Guest rob Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 And U.S. politics are off limits? let's expand the ban globally. Not intended as a generalisation... but historically speaking discussion in the past have gone like this - US guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our government sh$%ts me" person B - "Well clearly you're an F'n idiot" person A - "F you, you liberal tree hugging ^%$*" person B - "yeah, the type of response I'd ecpect from someone of your lowly educated inclination" person C - "screw you both... you're both morons... I declare an internet war on you both" persob A, B and C - "ARGHHHHHHHH.... SCREW YOU..... GRRRRR" International guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our governement sh%$s me" person B - "yep, I agree" person C - "I dont agree... but respect your rights to an opinion"
Warren Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Not intended as a generalisation... but historically speaking discussion in the past have gone like this - US guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our government sh$%ts me" person B - "Well clearly you're an F'n idiot" person A - "F you, you liberal tree hugging ^%$*" person B - "yeah, the type of response I'd ecpect from someone of your lowly educated inclination" person C - "screw you both... you're both morons... I declare an internet war on you both" persob A, B and C - "ARGHHHHHHHH.... SCREW YOU..... GRRRRR" International guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our governement sh%$s me" person B - "yep, I agree" person C - "I dont agree... but respect your rights to an opinion" Oh yeah, well screw you Rob you big Mormon. Oh no I've accidentally brought religion into it. But wait, Colt already did that when he introduced us to Pope Kenneth the first.
mazolaman Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 It's been a while - you'll probably need a new outfit...... Seeing this picture, it makes me realise where the famous white smoke comes from.....
El Presidente Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Non US political discussion has generally been handled well on FOH. I am reticent to ban something else. This thread was about an Australian Government action. A Government which is proving itself to love intervention, the taking away of individual freedoms an ideological bent towards new taxes and political subterfuge. This Govt and its partner cronies are no friends to FOH nor cigars in general. The opposition conservatives are no better.
cellinisart Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Non US political discussion has generally been handled well on FOH. I am reticent to ban something else. This thread was about an Australian Government action. A Government which is proving itself to love intervention, the taking away of individual freedoms an ideological bent towards new taxes and political subterfuge. This Govt and its partner cronies are no friends to FOH nor cigars in general. The opposition conservatives are no better. Then they should not clam to be conservatives. Wasnt trying to stur the nest, I thought it would get a laugh. You know what they say about a guy in the room with all the bad jokes...he's the only one in the room.
frenchkiwi Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 i now know why australians are unhappy with their govt... cricket team no longer what it was. SPORT AND SATISFACTION WITH POLITICAL STATUS QUO There is plenty of other evidence to support Key's belief that the Rugby World Cup was a big part of his future as prime minister. Last year an American statistician looked at the effect that the results of the local college team had on voting in presidential, gubernatorial and senate elections. Andrew Healy concluded that pigskin politics matters. After crunching numbers over 44 years, the results pointed to a 1.7 per cent spike in the incumbent's vote if the college team had won its game in the previous week. The effect was necessarily short term because of the frequency of college football and the parochial nature of the vote. But if sport has such an effect locally, it is reasonable to think there may be a larger and longer correlation on a national scale. John Howard's government ruled from 1996-2007, over a period when Australia staged the Olympics and a Rugby World Cup, won the latter event and was the world's leading cricket nation. It may just be coincidence, but I wouldn't give much for Julia Gillard's drooping popularity if the Black Caps stuff Australia at cricket over the next five days. THE serious political commentators ascribe many of Gillard's problems to the carbon tax issue and her humiliation over the "boat people" vote. But she would probably be a lot more popular if Australia's sporting boom hadn't hit a recession. The UK's then-prime minister Harold Wilson called an election in the year of the 1966 Football World Cup and his marginal government was returned with an increased majority. France had a long period of stable government in 1995-2007, the years of unprecedented success at football. Manmohan Singh may be India's most popular ever prime minister during a period when the nation's cricket has never been more powerful. He sat with Pakistan's leader during India's World Cup triumph, an image that thrilled the country. It is literally ludicrous, but sport seems to have a significant influence on the government of the day. Maybe that is why Tony Blair was keen to play "head tennis" with Kevin Keegan and professed a childhood love of Newcastle United despite being unable to name any players from the 1960s. I have no idea who Graham Henry voted for, but he may unintentionally have been Key's closest ally. A happy sporting electorate appears more likely to embrace the status quo. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/our-experts/6058348/What-part-did-All-Blacks-win-play-in-election
Ken Gargett Posted November 30, 2011 Author Posted November 30, 2011 i now know why australians are unhappy with their govt... cricket team no longer what it was. SPORT AND SATISFACTION WITH POLITICAL STATUS QUO There is plenty of other evidence to support Key's belief that the Rugby World Cup was a big part of his future as prime minister. Last year an American statistician looked at the effect that the results of the local college team had on voting in presidential, gubernatorial and senate elections. Andrew Healy concluded that pigskin politics matters. After crunching numbers over 44 years, the results pointed to a 1.7 per cent spike in the incumbent's vote if the college team had won its game in the previous week. The effect was necessarily short term because of the frequency of college football and the parochial nature of the vote. But if sport has such an effect locally, it is reasonable to think there may be a larger and longer correlation on a national scale. John Howard's government ruled from 1996-2007, over a period when Australia staged the Olympics and a Rugby World Cup, won the latter event and was the world's leading cricket nation. It may just be coincidence, but I wouldn't give much for Julia Gillard's drooping popularity if the Black Caps stuff Australia at cricket over the next five days. THE serious political commentators ascribe many of Gillard's problems to the carbon tax issue and her humiliation over the "boat people" vote. But she would probably be a lot more popular if Australia's sporting boom hadn't hit a recession. The UK's then-prime minister Harold Wilson called an election in the year of the 1966 Football World Cup and his marginal government was returned with an increased majority. France had a long period of stable government in 1995-2007, the years of unprecedented success at football. Manmohan Singh may be India's most popular ever prime minister during a period when the nation's cricket has never been more powerful. He sat with Pakistan's leader during India's World Cup triumph, an image that thrilled the country. It is literally ludicrous, but sport seems to have a significant influence on the government of the day. Maybe that is why Tony Blair was keen to play "head tennis" with Kevin Keegan and professed a childhood love of Newcastle United despite being unable to name any players from the 1960s. I have no idea who Graham Henry voted for, but he may unintentionally have been Key's closest ally. A happy sporting electorate appears more likely to embrace the status quo. http://www.stuff.co....lay-in-election long been the case. olympics, major tournaments etc. just look at how often elections are timed to coincide. that said, in australia, it has long been known that you do not call an election for the same day as a big footy game. result immaterial but aussies apparently get very annoyed at politicians who stuff up such days. i doubt though, that the current mob would be much impacted either way by sport. in too much trouble. gillard seen as a fan of afl - western bulldogs - and a genuine one, unlike some politicians who attempt to cultivate themselves as fans but merely show up as false sporting supporters - aussies see through it very quickly. menzies was very much a sports fan - never failed not to line up an extensive european tour when there was an ashes series. howard and hawke also both seen as genuine sports fans. keating attempted to pretend to support collingwood for a bit but gave it up as a bad joke. rudd would not know one end of a football from another (apparently, often has to be told when to be seen cheering, by his minders) but wanders around draped in footy scarves etc. he is so utterly lacking in any genuine knowledge or interest that he tweeted congrats to the broncos when the reds won the super xv. the other thing is that there are always so many different sports going on here that some will be up and some down so pollies can always align themselves with a winner. your comment re india/pakistan very apt. i've always believed that the best chance that region has is through cricket diplomacy. the entire sub-continent is so obsessed with the game that it could work. indians/sri lankans/pakistanis have an obsession with cricket that makes kiwis look dis-interested in rugby (and without the spitting!). all that said, if the unthinkable happened (we are not that good at the moment and full of injuries etc, but surely we cannot be so awful as to get done by the kiwis) and we did get beaten by nz at cricket, it would hardly register. so much cricket played at the moment that a lot becomes irrelevant and sadly, a series against nz has about as much interest as if we were playing zimbabwe. crow, hadley, fleming all highly regarded here, even if hadley considered a tosser, but most aussies would struggle to name three kiwis in the team at the moment (actually, most would struggle to name one). i'll happily sit glued to all five days a serious test but, even with life membership and free entry to the gabba, i won't bother going across town to watch it. i will hop on a plane and head to adelaide etc to see us play the indians.
CanuckSARTech Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Not intended as a generalisation... but historically speaking discussion in the past have gone like this - US guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our government sh$%ts me" person B - "Well clearly you're an F'n idiot" person A - "F you, you liberal tree hugging ^%$*" person B - "yeah, the type of response I'd ecpect from someone of your lowly educated inclination" person C - "screw you both... you're both morons... I declare an internet war on you both" persob A, B and C - "ARGHHHHHHHH.... SCREW YOU..... GRRRRR" International guys discussing their local politics: person A - "man our governement sh%$s me" person B - "yep, I agree" person C - "I dont agree... but respect your rights to an opinion" LOL.
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