Scarhead Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I am looking for help regarding box codes. I know some of the letters refer to boxing dates while other refer to the type of packaging. I'll use this as an example: LE MSO ENE 10 I am assuming the ENE means Enero 2010. What do the other letters mean? Thanks for the help.
android Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Great source,,, http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/
riazp Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Great source,,, http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/ x2, its your cuban cigar bible, save yourself the time bookmark it.
Scarhead Posted September 10, 2011 Author Posted September 10, 2011 Thank you! I do go to that site, but I'm having difficulty deciphering the codes. I guess that's why it is called code Again, thank you for the responses. Cheers!
aavkk Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 LE MSO ENE 10 I'm assuming LE is simply that its a limited edition. Unless things have changed last year this SHOULD NOT be stamped on the box. MSO would be the factory code for the box and no it is not an acronym, they simply rotate new codes for the factories every so often. For example, I believe the Partagas factory is now POL, previously it was TEB then POS. ENE is the month of January.
KarlJ Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I'm assuming LE is simply that its a limited edition. Unless things have changed last year this SHOULD NOT be stamped on the box. MSO would be the factory code for the box and no it is not an acronym, they simply rotate new codes for the factories every so often. For example, I believe the Partagas factory is now POL, previously it was TEB then POS. ENE is the month of January. Why do they do this? Is it too simple just to stick to a universal format, just change the month/year accordingly? Maybe their way of staying ahead of the counterfeits? Then again how would the consumer determin the most recent stamps and codes over a fraudulent box? Maybe there is no rhyme or reason they just do it for shits and grins.
Guest rob Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 The LE designation before the code is something entierly foreign to me. I have never seen it once. Surely if it was to be because it was a Limited Edition it still would have been stamped EL, not LE.
Colt45 Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Why do they do this? Is it too simple just to stick to a universal format, just change the month/year accordingly? Maybe their way of staying ahead of the counterfeits? Then again how would the consumer determin the most recent stamps and codes over a fraudulent box? Maybe there is no rhyme or reason they just do it for shits and grins. I believe it is done mainly to keep people from chasing boxes from specific factories.
KarlJ Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I believe it is done mainly to keep people from chasing boxes from specific factories. So for a given brand, well sat Bolivar for example, that brand may be produced at more than one factory through out the island of Cuba? I thought Cuban cigars were made at specific factories, meaning if you bought a Bolivar it was made at the Bolivar factory or if you bought a partagas it was made at the partagas factory. Please bear with me I'm still learning and I could be totally off on my assumption. Is one specific brand produced at more than one factory?
Colt45 Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 So for a given brand, well sat Bolivar for example, that brand may be produced at more than one factory through out the island of Cuba? Is one specific brand produced at more than one factory? Unless things have changed, that is correct.
Vortigan Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I believe it is done mainly to keep people from chasing boxes from specific factories. This is my understanding of it too
laficion Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 So for a given brand, well sat Bolivar for example, that brand may be produced at more than one factory through out the island of Cuba? I thought Cuban cigars were made at specific factories, meaning if you bought a Bolivar it was made at the Bolivar factory or if you bought a partagas it was made at the partagas factory. Please bear with me I'm still learning and I could be totally off on my assumption. Is one specific brand produced at more than one factory? Yes MrJ, I can understand that this can be quite confusing but also complicated. I'll try to make this as short as I can. In the early 1800's in Havana, there were many small cigar shops called " Chinchales" making puros for the smokers of the capital. Later when the big factories started to become famous because they were exporting their brand and wining medals and fame in Europe and elsewhere, almost all of these "Chinchales" were bought off by the big brands and all made at the "Mother factory" and with this, building up the brands reputation but also it's profits. One such factory was, PALICIO Y Cia, who's address was, Maximo Gomez 51,Havana. Under the name Fernandez, Palicio y Cia, there were many small brands, some stayed small and others became very important, Here are some of the brands owned by Palicio y Cia in the 1940's, see if you can recognize some that have become very famous. Belinda El Vinyet Flor de Fernandez Garcia Gener Gioconda Gladstone Habanos Hoyo de Monterrey La Emperatriz de la India La Escepcion La Gloria de Inglaterra La Iberia La Sin Par Las Perlas Palicio Punch Santa Felipa Smart Set Vuelta Abajo All of these brands were made in the same factory. Today it's still the same, for example, At Partagas,the brands, Ramon Allones, Bolivar, La Gloria Cubana are also made. At Romeo y Julieta, the brands,El Rey del Mundo, Quai D'Orsay, Cuaba, Saint Luis Rey are also made. At La Corona, the brands, SCDH, HdM, PL, Punch are also made . At H. Upmann, the brands, Diplomaticos, Montecristo, VR are also made. At La Habana, Sancho Panza, JL, Fonseca. So, as you can see, nothing new ,LOL As for the NC's, it's the same thing, example, Ernesto Perez-Carrillo Jr.'s La Gloria Cubana in Miami being bought off by Swedish Match. etc, etc, Sorry for being so long, I hope this helps you a little. Ciao , Guy
KarlJ Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 That clears things up, I get it now! Thanks for outlining such a detailed response Guy!! -Karl
Scarhead Posted September 11, 2011 Author Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) Yes MrJ, I can understand that this can be quite confusing but also complicated. I'll try to make this as short as I can. In the early 1800's in Havana, there were many small cigar shops called " Chinchales" making puros for the smokers of the capital. Later when the big factories started to become famous because they were exporting their brand and wining medals and fame in Europe and elsewhere, almost all of these "Chinchales" were bought off by the big brands and all made at the "Mother factory" and with this, building up the brands reputation but also it's profits. One such factory was, PALICIO Y Cia, who's address was, Maximo Gomez 51,Havana. Under the name Fernandez, Palicio y Cia, there were many small brands, some stayed small and others became very important, Here are some of the brands owned by Palicio y Cia in the 1940's, see if you can recognize some that have become very famous. Belinda El Vinyet Flor de Fernandez Garcia Gener Gioconda Gladstone Habanos Hoyo de Monterrey La Emperatriz de la India La Escepcion La Gloria de Inglaterra La Iberia La Sin Par Las Perlas Palicio Punch Santa Felipa Smart Set Vuelta Abajo All of these brands were made in the same factory. Today it's still the same, for example, At Partagas,the brands, Ramon Allones, Bolivar, La Gloria Cubana are also made. At Romeo y Julieta, the brands,El Rey del Mundo, Quai D'Orsay, Cuaba, Saint Luis Rey are also made. At La Corona, the brands, SCDH, HdM, PL, Punch are also made . At H. Upmann, the brands, Diplomaticos, Montecristo, VR are also made. At La Habana, Sancho Panza, JL, Fonseca. So, as you can see, nothing new ,LOL As for the NC's, it's the same thing, example, Ernesto Perez-Carrillo Jr.'s La Gloria Cubana in Miami being bought off by Swedish Match. etc, etc, Sorry for being so long, I hope this helps you a little. Ciao , Guy Very Nice! Thank you for taking the time to write this. This is the knowledge of Cuban Cigars that I hope to have one day. Postings such as this, and the others in this thread, will help me to attain that knowledge. **I hope I am not breaking the FoH's Commandments or rules by posting this. If so, I apologize. Edited September 11, 2011 by Colt45 As the link had already been deleted once, I think you know the answer...
maverickdrinker Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 La Corona also rolls Behikes and the cohiba 1966s.
aavkk Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Thanks for posting the comprehensive factory production list Guy. It seems to me though that certain brands are produced at more than one factory- Cohiba most notably from my experience. I'm sure others as well though.
laficion Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Thanks for posting the comprehensive factory production list Guy. It seems to me though that certain brands are produced at more than one factory- Cohiba most notably from my experience. I'm sure others as well though. Yes, you are right but I did say that I would TRY to make it short LOL LOL As for Cohiba , Yes, the brand is made in almost all of the factories simply because there's not enough space or rollers at El Laguito to keep up with the demand. So much demand that in 2004, a large portion of the production was transfered to the factory Donatien in Pinar del Rio. Today that factory is making the better part of the brand Trinidad. The Cohiba Behike is another example. From the start they were already being made at Partagas and other factories, even though Habanos SA was saying that ALL of the production was being made at El Laguito, well, in a way it was true. The large part of the Behikes made & rolled elsewhere are then sent to El Laguito where they are then boxed and shipped off with the box code from El Laguito. Habanos SA does not advertize that anymore but they do say that every box COMES from El Laguito, which is true Another Example is Monte-cristo which is made in other factories other then at H.Upmann.
El Presidente Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Great post Guy The blend for each cigar is a known quantity. Theoretically, the factory manager receives a production quota 45 days prior to the commencement of production. Let's say, 25000 Cohiba Siglo VI in packaging of SLB 25. The factory manager orders the tobacco and packaging (to blend specification) and it is delivered from Tabacuba (centralised leaf distribution/logistics) 5-15 days prior to production of that quota run. Theoretically it shouldn't matter in what factory they are rolled.
PigFish Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Yes MrJ, I can understand that this can be quite confusing but also complicated. I'll try to make this as short as I can. In the early 1800's in Havana, there were many small cigar shops called " Chinchales" making puros for the smokers of the capital. Later when the big factories started to become famous because they were exporting their brand and wining medals and fame in Europe and elsewhere, almost all of these "Chinchales" were bought off by the big brands and all made at the "Mother factory" and with this, building up the brands reputation but also it's profits. One such factory was, PALICIO Y Cia, who's address was, Maximo Gomez 51,Havana. Under the name Fernandez, Palicio y Cia, there were many small brands, some stayed small and others became very important, Here are some of the brands owned by Palicio y Cia in the 1940's, see if you can recognize some that have become very famous. Belinda El Vinyet Flor de Fernandez Garcia Gener Gioconda Gladstone Habanos Hoyo de Monterrey La Emperatriz de la India La Escepcion La Gloria de Inglaterra La Iberia La Sin Par Las Perlas Palicio Punch Santa Felipa Smart Set Vuelta Abajo All of these brands were made in the same factory. Today it's still the same, for example, At Partagas,the brands, Ramon Allones, Bolivar, La Gloria Cubana are also made. At Romeo y Julieta, the brands,El Rey del Mundo, Quai D'Orsay, Cuaba, Saint Luis Rey are also made. At La Corona, the brands, SCDH, HdM, PL, Punch are also made . At H. Upmann, the brands, Diplomaticos, Montecristo, VR are also made. At La Habana, Sancho Panza, JL, Fonseca. So, as you can see, nothing new ,LOL As for the NC's, it's the same thing, example, Ernesto Perez-Carrillo Jr.'s La Gloria Cubana in Miami being bought off by Swedish Match. etc, etc, Sorry for being so long, I hope this helps you a little. Ciao , Guy That is a great response Guy; much better than what I was gonna' post. This is Cuba, and they don't even know what is going on over there!!! -LOL -
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