Habanos SA letter to Aussie government


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OK i'm a bit confused...so as of 2012 for cigars to be sold in australia, they need to be sold in a plain generic box, or does the sticker need to cover the whole box instead of the 3/4 of the box is already occupies? Maybe Rob or Smithy can clarify this.

Thanks

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OK i'm a bit confused...so as of 2012 for cigars to be sold in australia, they need to be sold in a plain generic box, or does the sticker need to cover the whole box instead of the 3/4 of the box is already occupies? Maybe Rob or Smithy can clarify this.

Thanks

I wonder if they can just put the existing cigar boxes in plain cardboard boxes?

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"Habanos, S.A agrees to the fact that the adult, occasional cigar consumer should be informed

about the health risks associated with smoking. However, we are of the opinion that neither

plain packaging nor expanded graphic health warnings are necessary to achieve that goal."

Too right. These "warnings" are no longer imposed out of pious concern for the health of the masses, but to express the righteous indignation of authorities. They are not to dissuade people from smoking, but to shame and ostracise smokers.

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Plain packaging is being challenged in the courts here and the implication for handrolled cigars is that they will stop being sold in Australia as HSA cannot/will not comply.

Neither will I ....as I told the ministers Head of Department at the Canberra meeting.

Should be interesting indeed :D

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Plain packaging is being challenged in the courts here and the implication for handrolled cigars is that they will stop being sold in Australia as HSA cannot/will not comply.

Neither will I ....as I told the ministers Head of Department at the Canberra meeting.

Should be interesting indeed :D

Go Get them Rob, if you need letters of protest or anything we can do to help the cause, you have us behind you 100%

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Plain packaging is being challenged in the courts here and the implication for handrolled cigars is that they will stop being sold in Australia as HSA cannot/will not comply.

Neither will I ....as I told the ministers Head of Department at the Canberra meeting.

Should be interesting indeed :D

We have had many arguments on this board regarding economic models resulting in various forms wealth distribution, job loss etcetera. So what does the Australian business man in the tobacco business do? Moves offshore! This has nothing to do with capitalists... it has to do with tyranny of the minority, or the majority taking the liberties of others for any numbers of reasons, and good intentions is the worst of them.

My friends when will you wake up? Tyranny starts simply but once the door is opened the wrong dogs certainly come home! Who would have thought that the simple warning sticker was the first step to abolition? I did!

It no longer takes a bloody revolution to form a tyrannical state. It is now done through a legislative process, one small inconvenient law at a time. This is a prime example. You may win this time but they will try again next year, then the next, then the next again. Loss of freedom through the advancement of government should be the one of Newtons laws!

-Piggy

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We have had many arguments on this board regarding economic models resulting in various forms wealth distribution, job loss etcetera. So what does the Australian business man in the tobacco business do? Moves offshore! This has nothing to do with capitalists... it has to do with tyranny of the minority, or the majority taking the liberties of others for any numbers of reasons, and good intentions is the worst of them.

My friends when will you wake up? Tyranny starts simply but once the door is opened the wrong dogs certainly come home! Who would have thought that the simple warning sticker was the first step to abolition? I did!

It no longer takes a bloody revolution to form a tyrannical state. It is now done through a legislative process, one small inconvenient law at a time. This is a prime example. You may win this time but they will try again next year, then the next, then the next again. Loss of freedom through the advancement of government should be the one of Newtons laws!

-Piggy

Couldn't have said it better.

But unfortunately the problem is with the people, not the Governments. As long as the majority wants to have a Nanny state, Government that will do everything for them, tell them how to raise their children, protect them, tell them what to listen, watch and read people like us will be agitated. And Government control/regulations for all aspects of one's life are getting more and more diverse in the Western World with every year. As far as I can tell, US is still kinda holding on, with their strong national sense of individualism but even they are slipping.

And the slipping is done down to road to Fascism, small slipping but still it's happening.

With all the control, censors etc, it's only a matter of time before in for example 15 years of 20 years, or sooner, someone comes to power who says "F*ck it, put the opposition websites on the list of censored websites".

Now, I am not an Anarchist, far from it, there must be regulations, government control etc, but this is becoming to much. It became to much a long time ago.

And the worst thing is the majority is happy. My wife has no problem with it.

"Government knows best". Even if she does, I wan't to be free to f*uck up, make a mistake for myself and learn.

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A couple of points in that letter I never even considered.

Unlike cigarette smokers, cigar smokers come together in forums like this so here we are. What can we do as individuals, or as a group to try and stop this ridiculous proposal being applied to premium cigars?

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A couple of points in that letter I never even considered.

Unlike cigarette smokers, cigar smokers come together in forums like this so here we are. What can we do as individuals, or as a group to try and stop this ridiculous proposal being applied to premium cigars?

I'm not sure we can. There are MANY more cigarette smokers than cigar smokers & their ability to smoke continues to be restricted. Can't smoke in a park, or a beach, etc. Cigarette smokers have the big tobacco companies on their side & got no results. Hate to be negative, but don't think cigar smokers will fare any better.

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Couldn't have said it better.

But unfortunately the problem is with the people, not the Governments. As long as the majority wants to have a Nanny state, Government that will do everything for them, tell them how to raise their children, protect them, tell them what to listen, watch and read people like us will be agitated. And Government control/regulations for all aspects of one's life are getting more and more diverse in the Western World with every year. As far as I can tell, US is still kinda holding on, with their strong national sense of individualism but even they are slipping.

And the slipping is done down to road to Fascism, small slipping but still it's happening.

With all the control, censors etc, it's only a matter of time before in for example 15 years of 20 years, or sooner, someone comes to power who says "F*ck it, put the opposition websites on the list of censored websites".

Now, I am not an Anarchist, far from it, there must be regulations, government control etc, but this is becoming to much. It became to much a long time ago.

And the worst thing is the majority is happy. My wife has no problem with it.

"Government knows best". Even if she does, I wan't to be free to f*uck up, make a mistake for myself and learn.

This is the problem with democracy and why I support it as a process and not a formal form of government. The majority always tramples the minority and history proves it. The LAW is designed to protect the rights of all, not just the majority. Where I disagree with you is where you lay blame. Government is in my mind solely designed to protect natural rights, the rights of all people under its jurisdiction, not conform to the will of the mob.

It used to be said that one man and the law could win the day. That day is no longer. The mob will never undstand natural rights and it is a damn shame. -Piggy

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