SethG Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 In terms of rollouts, look back to when Cuba "refreshed" the microprinting on the seal. I received boxes of Cuaba Piramides, same month, two different factories with one set microprinted new and one old. And both sticks were undeniably real. That being said, these are obviously different and I would expect rollout to occur at the LCDH's first and then hit the market quicker. I also received some boxes of Cohiba's from inside Cuba from another vendor, not FOH, and the internal material was way newer. So they are sometimes slow. But, I would imagine this is obvious enough that it will fly into production. Another good innovation! Once the American market opens up we'll probably see the US distributors push similar innovations. The Cuban's still don't have cheap access to our technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjellfrick Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Very interesting info, Rob. Havoc on the grey market to be expected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryleech Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'll believe that when " me **** turns purple and rainbow turds fly out me ass"...... Shenanigans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboz28 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Great information. Thanks a bunch for posting it up for us!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for the info Rob. A minor point to be sure but I've always loved the look of the warranty labels and I'm just curious as to how their aesthetics will be affected once cut. Do you know if the "auto-destructive" feature will manifest itself by making the labels appear significantly "damaged" when they are cut? It would be too bad if every box opened ends up with some sort of ugly blotchy label stuck to it.- Tim Tim I am not sure what they mean by the "auto -destructive" feature but I have images in my head of "Maxwell Smart" and exploding mission tapes from the "Chief" I will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilroy Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Tim I am not sure what they mean by the "auto -destructive" feature but I have images in my head of "Maxwell Smart" and exploding mission tapes from the "Chief" I will find out. My guess is that its something that we have in the US for various important stickers: car registration, bicycle registration etc... if you peel the sticker off in attempts to steal it, or the vehicle, the stamp leaves behind a 'void' stamp like this: The only way that you'll be able to find out if yours has been doctored will be you'll have to peel back the corner of the new seal and see if: 1) There are already a layer of 'void' stamps on there... indicating that the previous seal had been removed and a new one placed and/or 2) The seal on your box doesn't leave behind a void signature indicating that it had been taken off another box and placed on yours. At least that's what I think they should put on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Self-destructing labels are labels that break apart when you try to peel them up. For example, some are printed on paper stock with an internal strength that is less than the holding power of the adhesive. When you try to peel these up, the paper splits and part stays with the adhesive and part comes off in your hands thus the complete sticker cannot be removed in one piece. Alternatively, the sticker stock can be scored or cut such that trying to remove the sticker causes them to come apart at these scoring lines. There are a few variations but these are common approaches. The score method is used quite commonly in merchandise pricing stickers. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ahh, Kilroy, that's another type. The words are printed with some sort of slip coat on the film backing and when the adhesive is coated on top of that, it doesn't really stick to the sticker where the words are. Thus, when applied to a surface, the adhesive (pigmented white in your photo) comes off the sticker and stays on the item. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyRitz Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Thanks for sharing this with us, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hemingway Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i agree with this wilkey. i imagine it will be more along the lines of the stickers being scored or perforated in various places throughout them . when one attempts to peel the sticker it comes apart at the scored lines, making it virtualy impossible to get it all up in one shot to re-stick it elsewhere. i have already seen this used on dominican davidoff boxes. the small "quality controlled" stickers on the bottom use this security technique. it is an EXCELLENT security measure and i am happy to see habanos sa incorporating this on new stock from here on out. Self-destructing labels are labels that break apart when you try to peel them up. For example, some are printed on paper stock with an internal strength that is less than the holding power of the adhesive. When you try to peel these up, the paper splits and part stays with the adhesive and part comes off in your hands thus the complete sticker cannot be removed in one piece. Alternatively, the sticker stock can be scored or cut such that trying to remove the sticker causes them to come apart at these scoring lines. There are a few variations but these are common approaches. The score method is used quite commonly in merchandise pricing stickers.Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokem Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Great info, helps it helps! I wonder how soon these labels will be advertised on sites like that one that sells bands/labels? (Didn't know if I was allowed to list the site) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnyc Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Tim I am not sure what they mean by the "auto -destructive" feature but I have images in my head of "Maxwell Smart" and exploding mission tapes from the "Chief" I will find out. I'd pay a premium if the seals did that! - Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuscookies Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Depending on how the barcode is utilized, the stolen label issue could become moot. At least for those who understand what to look for. If those barcodes go into a verifiable database when boxes leave the HSA warehouse, then stolen warranty seals would not be entered. This means, stolen lables applied to boxes after the fact could not be verified in the system. If the database is open to everyone, you could potentially ask the seller to provide you with a barcode number before purchase. I sure hope HSA makes that database available to everyone who buys. There are other elements I like. Perhaps for the first time we have a Warranty Sticker which will be nigh "impossible" to fake. As I understand it (and to be confirmed) the stickers will be placed at the HSA warehouse and under tight security. This should reduce the risk of authentic Warranty Stickers "leaking" to the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyFishingDude Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 That is an interesting picture though, Especially how they put a newer seal over the old one providing this isn't a QC checked box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Depending on how the barcode is utilized, the stolen label issue could become moot. At least for those who understand what to look for. If those barcodes go into a verifiable database when boxes leave the HSA warehouse, then stolen warranty seals would not be entered. This means, stolen lables applied to boxes after the fact could not be verified in the system. If the database is open to everyone, you could potentially ask the seller to provide you with a barcode number before purchase. I sure hope HSA makes that database available to everyone who buys. Yea but "...open to everyone..." Not a chance. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Is the new sticker on top of the old a REVISADO useage or are they just relabeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SofaKing Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 However if I were to open a distribution warehouse in say Miami . Hmmm..... When this happens, let me know when your hiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miami101 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 El Prez wow thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smk819 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks Rob, great info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninzi Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 While it is a great technology against counterfitting, I am sad to see the current design slowly dissapear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 While it is a great technology against counterfitting, I am sad to see the current design slowly dissapear. I am with you Ninzi. Still, we cannot have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugboat Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I've found a web site that allows you to enter your bar code numbers and it will than tell you if they are fake or not. I have a box that I entered the code and it replied they are fake. The box comes from a hightly respected vendor so I question the bar code information. Would like someone else to try their code and see what It tells you. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Hi Tugboat.....see topic below. The web page appears to be only a beta version......not yet workingh link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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