El Presidente Posted November 20, 2007 Posted November 20, 2007 We have Cuban roller Yasmel arriving to spend Wednesday and Thursday next week. No...I don't think he will have time to roll customs for forum members but this is what we have planned for him to do for us outsdie of our Wednesday night Party Spectactular. * exchange wrappers for me on last weeks tasting cigars Light and Dark Wrapper Monte 2's from the same box. We have completed the original reviews of both cigars and I will finalise the follow up reviews next week. * exchange wrappers for me on Cohiba Maduro 5 Genios and Cohiba Robusto for a comparative tasting. ****Both the above tests are to assist in our journey in determining the importance/effect of wrapper on a cigar. *Roll four Carlota's. One Volado, One Seco, One Ligero and one a blend. Review each. * Roll a Carlota, a Petit Corona and a Robusto utilizing the same blend proportion. Review each to assist in determining the effect of ring guage on the flavour and strength of a cigar. ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. Mr Yasmel Sotomayor Rodriguez was born in Havana Cuba in August 1982. He commenced his career as a cigar roller in the Partagás factory at the age of 21. He rapidly improved his cigar rolling skills qualifying him to the maximum level for this trade “9th Grade”. He is specialized in the production of all types and shapes of Habanos including Pyramids, Salomons and Diademas among others. Mr Sotomayor Rodriguez speaks fluent English and Asia Pacific will be his first experience abroad.
Claudius Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 That sounds like some extremely interesting experiments ahead! Regarding the Monte 2 wrapper exchange - is that solely to check whether the difference in taste is due to the wrapper and not the filler? Regarding the Genios and Coro wrapper exchange, will that be an easy thing to do? After all, the Genios is larger and the Coro wrapper may not fit onto it. Or maybe I got the wrong understanding of the experiment here. The ring gauge experiment sounds very interesting. How are you going to determine "proportion"? Will you weigh the tobacco on the first cigar (like on a paint scale for body shops, to the hundredth of a gram :-)), do calculations and cut off small pieces of leaves to obtain the exact same proportion in the next vitola? I don't see the point of smoking the volado vitola - you do review Hoyos regularly ;-)
El Presidente Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 » That sounds like some extremely interesting experiments ahead! » » Regarding the Monte 2 wrapper exchange - is that solely to check whether » the difference in taste is due to the wrapper and not the filler? Claudius this follows on from the previous review [link=http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/board_entry.php?id=64936&page=1&category=all&order=last_answer&descasc=DESC]Link[/link] The cigars are from the same box so we are making the assumption that the blend is the same. Should indeed be interesting. » » Regarding the Genios and Coro wrapper exchange, will that be an easy thing » to do? After all, the Genios is larger and the Coro wrapper may not fit » onto it. Or maybe I got the wrong understanding of the experiment here. This is an extention of this review [link=http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/board_entry.php?id=58716#p58716]Link[/link] We have smoked the cigars with wrapper off and with wrapper on. Now it is time to swap wrappers to finalise the test. I don't think a Level 9 roller will have any problem as I will supply a second wrapper leaf from the same box of cigars if necessary. It doesn't have to be pretty....just pretty effective ;-) » » The ring gauge experiment sounds very interesting. How are you going to » determine "proportion"? Will you weigh the tobacco on the first cigar » (like on a paint scale for body shops, to the hundredth of a gram :-)), do » calculations and cut off small pieces of leaves to obtain the exact same » proportion in the next vitola? We will prepare the proportions on scales prior to ensure the proportions/percentages are right. We have the equipment so it should be no drama. » » I don't see the point of smoking the volado vitola - you do review Hoyos » regularly ;-)
Jimmy2 Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. Yes Rob i think is should do a taste test of some of Yasmel custom rolled puppies .
greenpimp Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 Wish I could be there. Sounds like a great time. I have heard that an all Seco Cuban cigar is quite tasty.
habanablue Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » Wish I could be there. Sounds like a great time. » » I have heard that an all Seco Cuban cigar is quite tasty. Sydney's event last night was a great night. Yasmel is a top bloke who has already has some 'fun' on his travels throughout Asia...He speaks English Ken so no need to brush up on your Espanol! Promised him Roberto Ayala would show him a good time as well;-) I'll have pics up on my blog this arvo.
Colt45 Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. » Keep Smithy away from the rolling table.....
El Presidente Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 » » ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. » » » Keep Smithy away from the rolling table..... looking forward to catching up with Smithy. He is borrowing my Landy 4x4 for a couple of days. He tells me he hates the old beast....but he always comes back to borrow it. Thanks Colt....you reminded me to put "Country Romance Classics" in the Landy's CD player
JMH Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » Sydney's event last night was a great night. Yasmel is a top bloke who has » already has some 'fun' on his travels throughout Asia...He speaks English » Ken so no need to brush up on your Espanol! » » Promised him Roberto Ayala would show him a good time as well;-) » » I'll have pics up on my blog this arvo. Glad to hear that it was a good night sam, I wish I could have made it :-(
yossie Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » I have strong envy for you. » I wanna try to taste such custom rolled cigars... I once imagined going to » Cuba to get it...
Ginseng Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » this is what we have planned for him to do for us » » exchange wrappers for me on last weeks tasting cigars Light and Dark Wrapper Monte 2's from the same box. » » exchange wrappers for me on Cohiba Maduro 5 Genios and Cohiba Robusto » » Both the above tests are to assist in our journey in determining the importance/effect of wrapper on a cigar. » » Roll four Carlota's. One Volado, One Seco, One Ligero and one a blend. » » Roll a Carlota, a Petit Corona and a Robusto utilizing the same blend proportion. Review each to assist in » determining the effect of ring guage on the flavour and strength of a cigar. » » ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. Rob, I'd like to suggest the following. 1. Roll a double-wrappered cigar to further expand on the wrapper effect investigations. Specifically, we can't really gauge the influence of wrapper unless we have two points on the line. Three if you count the wrapperless version. 2. Remove the wrapper from and rewrap a cigar so that it can be smoked head-to-foot against a "normal" foot-to-head smoked cigar to determine if leaf orientation really does play a part in the development and progression of a cigar. It has been claimed that orienting the leaf tips to the foot and the leaf stem-ends to the head contributes to development. 3. Roll the robusto with one or two levels of increased or decreased ligero to provide some insight into the dilution effect. Ideally, the volado-seco ratio would remain the same while the overall proportion of these leaves decreased or increased, respectively. 4. Roll a cigar that has a higher proportion of ligero at the foot, another with more at the head, and one with even proportion of ligero from foot to head. This is to let us examine the influence of leaf placement on development. 5. Roll a cigar with ligero at the center of the bunch and another with the ligero distributed on the outside, next to the binder. This is to examine the influence yet another aspect of construction and leaf placement on the characteristics of the cigar. I could probably come up with a few more but I figure that's enough to think about for now. :-D Oh, for ideas 3-5, I chose a robusto because I presume the extra girth would allow more freedom in manipulating the number of leaves. I also chose ligero as the "marker" leaf because I figured its assertiveness would lend itself best to detection. If those assumptions are off-base, then please go with something else that meets the spirit of my intentions. Kudos to you, Rob, for committing the time, effort, and resources to this kind of study. Your inquisitiveness coupled with your access provides a rare opportunity for us all to learn. Wilkey
asmith Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » » ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. » » » Keep Smithy away from the rolling table..... I have my ticket and am flying down to be at the party for the specific reason of rolling some more LE Smithsonians. As for Rob and the Landy he keeps on offering it so I keep borrowing it for two reasons, firstly I'll service it as I know Rob doesn't even know where the battery is. Secondly all my mates have a great laugh when I turn up on a beaten up 4x4. It is truly a funny car and with Rob's selection of music playing I'm in fits of laughter the entire time I'm driving it. Good to hear from you Colt.
Colt45 Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 » Good to hear from you Colt. Smithy! Nice to see you posting. I hope all is going well for you. Now, I understand that you love country western music, and that is why Rob will have it loaded in the rover for you. But has he chosen "Romance Classics" because you will have a paaaaaaasenger this trip? You are a baaaaaaaaaad boy! Have fun!
El Presidente Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 » » this is what we have planned for him to do for us » » » » exchange wrappers for me on last weeks tasting cigars Light and Dark » Wrapper Monte 2's from the same box. » » » » exchange wrappers for me on Cohiba Maduro 5 Genios and Cohiba Robusto » » » » Both the above tests are to assist in our journey in determining the » importance/effect of wrapper on a cigar. » » » » Roll four Carlota's. One Volado, One Seco, One Ligero and one a blend. » » » » Roll a Carlota, a Petit Corona and a Robusto utilizing the same blend » proportion. Review each to assist in » » determining the effect of ring guage on the flavour and strength of a » cigar. » » » » ??? Any other tests worthwhile considering? Please let us know. » Rob, » » I'd like to suggest the following. » » 1. Roll a double-wrappered cigar to further expand on the wrapper effect » investigations. Specifically, we can't really gauge the influence of » wrapper unless we have two points on the line. Three if you count the » wrapperless version. » » 2. Remove the wrapper from and rewrap a cigar so that it can be smoked » head-to-foot against a "normal" foot-to-head smoked cigar to determine if » leaf orientation really does play a part in the development and » progression of a cigar. It has been claimed that orienting the leaf tips » to the foot and the leaf stem-ends to the head contributes to » development. » » 3. Roll the robusto with one or two levels of increased or decreased » ligero to provide some insight into the dilution effect. Ideally, the » volado-seco ratio would remain the same while the overall proportion of » these leaves decreased or increased, respectively. » » 4. Roll a cigar that has a higher proportion of ligero at the foot, » another with more at the head, and one with even proportion of ligero from » foot to head. This is to let us examine the influence of leaf placement on » development. » » 5. Roll a cigar with ligero at the center of the bunch and another with » the ligero distributed on the outside, next to the binder. This is to » examine the influence yet another aspect of construction and leaf » placement on the characteristics of the cigar. » » I could probably come up with a few more but I figure that's enough to » think about for now. :-D Oh, for ideas 3-5, I chose a robusto because I » presume the extra girth would allow more freedom in manipulating the » number of leaves. I also chose ligero as the "marker" leaf because I » figured its assertiveness would lend itself best to detection. If those » assumptions are off-base, then please go with something else that meets » the spirit of my intentions. » Will do my best Wilkey. He should have time to do the above :-)
Ginseng Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 » Will do my best Wilkey. He should have time to do the above :-) Hi Rob, How'd it go with the roller today? Wilkey
shrink Posted November 28, 2007 Posted November 28, 2007 Wilkey... very creative suggestions. I look forward to learning the results of these experiments. I can only regret that we aren't there to participate and enjoy the fruits of this 'research'! BTW, I really like the Pink Landy!
El Presidente Posted November 28, 2007 Author Posted November 28, 2007 » » Will do my best Wilkey. He should have time to do the above :-) » » Hi Rob, » » How'd it go with the roller today? » » Wilkey What we have are Mareva's. 1 x normal apportioned blend. 1 x Seco 1 x Volado 1 x Ligero 1 x normal blend double wrapper 1 x extra ligero both ends 1 x ligero down one side That is 7 cigars (will need to check later today). He has each labelled in seperate zip lock bags. We just ran out of time to do any more. In a week or so (they are a little wet) I will have Lise mark down the cigars and give them to me as Cigar A....Cigar B etc in order that I blind taste them. I will post the results.
Ginseng Posted November 29, 2007 Posted November 29, 2007 » What we have are Mareva's. » » 1 x normal apportioned blend. » 1 x Seco » 1 x Volado » 1 x Ligero » 1 x normal blend double wrapper » 1 x extra ligero both ends » 1 x ligero down one side » » That is 7 cigars (will need to check later today). He has each labelled in » seperate zip lock bags. We just ran out of time to do any more. » » In a week or so (they are a little wet) I will have Lise mark down the cigars » and give them to me as Cigar A....Cigar B etc in order that I blind taste them. » » I will post the results. Most excellent! I can't wait to read the results of the tasting. Wilkey
El Presidente Posted November 15, 2008 Author Posted November 15, 2008 » As for Rob and the Landy he keeps on offering it so I keep borrowing it » for two reasons, firstly I'll service it as I know Rob doesn't even know » where the battery is. Secondly all my mates have a great laugh when I » turn up on a beaten up 4x4. It is truly a funny car and with Rob's » selection of music playing I'm in fits of laughter the entire time I'm » driving it. » Smithy, I have no problem with whatever you and "your mates" get up to. What I don't want is for the Landy to come back painted like this again.
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