Colt45 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I'd probably go for what looks to be the RA 898V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 16, 2007 Author Share Posted November 16, 2007 » » LOL, none of the above, obviously (more for Colt ;-)) . The worst looking » are the pyramides. ahh dont let the camera fool you, they are all in fine shape and very smokable. I enjoyed the short churchill driving in my truck today and put the rest in the cabinet:-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa1257 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I have got to agree with Claudius, none of the above, they all look FAKE. The heads on the Piramide look awful, the bands do not look correct, the heads do not look like they have a triple cap and last but not least, you bought these off a guy stopping by a cigar shop? Whats next, they sell them to you from the trunk of his car? Nope, I ONLY buy from Authorized Authentic Distributors of Habanos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB24 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 » I have got to agree with Claudius, none of the above, they all look FAKE. » The heads on the Piramide look awful, the bands do not look correct, the » heads do not look like they have a triple cap and last but not least, you » bought these off a guy stopping by a cigar shop? Whats next, they sell » them to you from the trunk of his car? Nope, I ONLY buy from Authorized » Authentic Distributors of Habanos. The Pyramids all look horrible and your right Chuck, where are the triple caps. You probably spent over $150 on all of them which could have got you a box of authentics. I did the same thing once and bought from a guy I didnt know and learned my lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrink Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 All fakes. Most seem to have the same waxy looking wrapper. Poorly finished, especially the heads, and NO triple caps. Caveat Emptor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share Posted November 17, 2007 » All fakes. Most seem to have the same waxy looking wrapper. Poorly » finished, especially the heads, and NO triple caps. Caveat Emptor! they all have triple caps, the flash makes them look funny, and a trusted source (dealer) brought them by my buddys auto shop. there are no fakes in the lot,,,???? WTF your all daft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I thought you meant this as a joke, but obviously you didn't. » there are no fakes in the lot,,,???? WTF There are no Habanos in the lot. » your all daft Yes, we all are... or maybe it was yourself that's been a little daft, thinking that one can buy genuine habanos in auto shops in Massachusetts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphon Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 » I enjoyed the short churchill driving in my truck today and put the rest » in the cabinet:-D Which one was supposed to be the short churchill?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strayvector Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 » I have got to agree with Claudius, none of the above, they all look FAKE. » The heads on the Piramide look awful, the bands do not look correct, the » heads do not look like they have a triple cap and last but not least, you » bought these off a guy stopping by a cigar shop? Whats next, they sell » them to you from the trunk of his car? Nope, I ONLY buy from Authorized » Authentic Distributors of Habanos. Although I too have my suspicions, why so quick to proclaim them fakes? I've been lucky enough to always have bought my cigars from authorized dealers and from Rob and Lisa exclusively for the last 3 years, but I've certainly seen piramides that were constructed worse than shown and I've see boomerang parejos (like the Cohiba DC shown). Rather than proclaim them all fake, it might have been more tactful to ask for better pictures to better judge the cigars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 » they all have triple caps, the flash makes them look funny, and a trusted » source (dealer) brought them by my buddys auto shop. » Thomas, with the piramides especially, I think what the guys are driving at is that the heads should not be rounded with such a long taper. It may be more difficult to see finer details in a photograph, but these are fairly obvious. Real, fake, or a mixture of both, I hope you'll get to the bottom of it, and let us know your findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenpimp Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 No offense Thomas, but I have NEVER seen cuban pyramids shaped like that. They are invariable conically tapered, with a fairly pointed end. So those are highly suspect, and if some are suspect, than all are. Also you are talking to people who have a great deal of experience. Sorry to break it to you. Believe the truth if you want, your choice. When I was working the Vegas psych ward in the 90's, an Italian patient came to the plexiglass door of the station with something on his finger. He said, "I found thees onda floor. I thought eet wasa chocolette. Den I smelt eet. Ees notta chocolette! Eesa sheet!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Thomas..... again focusing on the piramides, if you truly believe these to be authentic...... You have been advised by some very knowledgeable people (myself excluded). What you do with this information is up to you. You can show disdain for this board, and continue on your way , business as usual, or you can use said information to find a little truth and friendship. i don't think anyone is trying to cast aspersions on you or your friend - at least I'm not. For what it's worth, according to the HSA website, there are four LCDH in Canada - Montreal, Toronto, Windsor, and Vancouver. Purchased anywhere else, all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 18, 2007 Author Share Posted November 18, 2007 » Thomas..... again focusing on the piramides, if you truly believe these to » be authentic...... » You have been advised by some very knowledgeable people (myself excluded). » What you do with this » information is up to you. You can show disdain for this board, and » continue on your way , business » as usual, or you can use said information to find a little truth and » friendship. i don't think anyone is » trying to cast aspersions on you or your friend - at least I'm not. » » For what it's worth, according to the HSA website, there are four LCDH in » Canada - Montreal, Toronto, » Windsor, and Vancouver. Purchased anywhere else, all bets are off. thank you, I appreciate your patiance and the info, I didn't know that the Cohiba LE 06 is suspect, I will take better photo's of the others. not all cigars are created equal authentic or not, we are lucky to have a dealer here who takes great care to make sure we get the cream of the crop, as for distain,,,, well I give what I get and you have been polite to me and will recieve the same thanks for your time :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 » a closer look,,,,I think the LE 06 is a wrapper, it didnt taste right and » the filler burnt a pure white ash,,,but I think your way off by condemming » these as fakes by the photo's and condemming my judgement. Look... the Cohibas are bogus, you can tell from the bands that they are fake. The robusto looks like it has something solid like a vein in it (but that may be due to the picture). The pyramides are either fake or the worst I have ever seen and that should never have made it through quality control. The intention here is clearly not to hurt your feelings or to badmouth your friend (he may have been given fakes without knowing because he trusted his Canadian source). Why don't you order a few singles (the same as the ones you've got) from the international shop here and compare yourself by smoking them? Just get a Cohiba Robusto and a Partagas Serie P No.2, they should be distinctive enough. That way you'll know for sure :-) The aluminum tubos look alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Thomas. Mate, no one here is in any way giving you a hard time. This is a learning exercise for everyone and you are in the box seat because you have them in front of you. If you have a few fakes who gives a rats. I saw enough fakes in Hong Kongs celubrious connoisseur cigar lockers. It certainly didn't make me feel less about what were good passionate people. So after that long winded preface here is my two cents for what its worth. 1. I have seen plenty of legitimate dodgily constructed piramides but you have two....one Partagas and one Hoyo. That is equivalent to the odds of having been struck by lightning. 2. Photography (particularly flash) can play tricks on the eyes but if the 6 cigars in the middle have the same wrapper colour.....you have been struck by lightning again. 3. If the Partagas Piramide and Hoyo Piramide are dodgy (and I am 99.9% sure they are), then it is highly likely that the balance or at least a proportion of the balance are dodgy. 4. Lets not single out your vendor for criticism here. There are Habanos vendors world wide with previously "pristine" reputations who have been caught out selling fakes (Partagas Piramides come to mind). When confronted they shrugged their shoulders and explained they purchased the cigars outside of the normal Habanos s.a distribution network. They neglected to tell the purchasers that small detail prior. People defend them to this day. There is a certain loyalty to vendors who violate trust which often has me scratching my head. 5. Canada is a haven for secondary market (fake) Habanos. It seems like every week new wholesalers set up and contact us for Australian partners. PCCHK have a % interest in the Canadian Habanos s.a license so I know what goes on. Outside of LCDH stores and authorised HSA retailers, you have the same likelihood of purchasing fakes as if you were purchasing in Mexico. Regardless of what you have Thomas, smoke them. Enjoy them, review them. Give us your opinion of them. You have us intrigued and that is a good thing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 18, 2007 Author Share Posted November 18, 2007 » Thomas. » » Mate, no one here is in any way giving you a hard time. This is a learning » exercise for everyone and you are in the box seat because you have them in » front of you. » If you have a few fakes who gives a rats. I saw enough fakes in Hong Kongs » celubrious connoisseur cigar lockers. It certainly didn't make me feel less » about what were good passionate people. » » So after that long winded preface here is my two cents for what its » worth. » » 1. I have seen plenty of legitimate dodgily constructed piramides but you » have two....one Partagas and one Hoyo. That is equivalent to the odds of » having been struck by lightning. » » 2. Photography (particularly flash) can play tricks on the eyes but if the » 6 cigars in the middle have the same wrapper colour.....you have been » struck by lightning again. » » 3. If the Partagas Piramide and Hoyo Piramide are dodgy (and I am 99.9% » sure they are), then it is highly likely that the balance or at least a » proportion of the balance are dodgy. » » 4. Lets not single out your vendor for criticism here. There are Habanos » vendors world wide with previously "pristine" reputations who have been » caught out selling fakes (Partagas Piramides come to mind). When » confronted they shrugged their shoulders and explained they purchased the » cigars outside of the normal Habanos s.a distribution network. They » neglected to tell the purchasers that small detail prior. People defend » them to this day. There is a certain loyalty to vendors who violate trust » which often has me scratching my head. » » 5. Canada is a haven for secondary market (fake) Habanos. It seems like » every week new wholesalers set up and contact us for Australian partners. » PCCHK have a % interest in the Canadian Habanos s.a license so I know what » goes on. Outside of LCDH stores and authorised HSA retailers, you have the » same likelihood of purchasing fakes as if you were purchasing in Mexico. » » Regardless of what you have Thomas, smoke them. Enjoy them, review them. » Give us your opinion of them. You have us intrigued and that is a good » thing :-) Ok thanks, could you email me a price to match the batch and I will hold off on smoking any more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 good move thomas I hope all goes well for you.. there's probably enough knowledge on this forum to write a comprehensive and reliable encyclopedia. I'm sure no-one meant any offence, Rob and Lisa will look after you! Good smoking mate, Cam - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwm8592 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I picked the one I would smoke first (just answering the question) prior to reading all the posts. Sorry to say before finding FOH I would have probably done the same as Thomas. Thats why I now only buy from the Int'l shop, I don't have to be spot on for authentics, they do my work for me. Thx Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylax5 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Thomas, My first CC was a fake...I got a Cohiba Robusto from a co-worker and thought it was an incredible smoke. No matter real or fake, it was much better then a NC. I knew it was fake, after smoking it, because I went on Wilkeys site...it taught me that a 17mm label is fake and a 15mm label is most likely real...depending on a few other characterisitics. Fonts, spacing of letters and ink are also important. I was very fortunate to find FOH and a few other great forums. I have met some incredibly knowledgable CC smokers and 10 months later, I have a much better sense and understanding of CC's. I still have a long way to go, but hey it is a life long hobby and passion to me, so bring it on. Best wishes and I hope you stick around. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 I had to pick! The cigah guy came by my buddy's shop this aftanoon and I grab up a few,,,,so which one would have smoked first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 » I had to pick! » » The cigah guy came by my buddy's shop this aftanoon and I grab up a » few,,,,so which one would have smoked first? » smaller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 » I had to pick! » » The cigah guy came by my buddy's shop this aftanoon and I grab up a » few,,,,so which one would have smoked first? » » LOL, none of the above, obviously (more for Colt ;-)) . The worst looking are the pyramides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Here is a pic purely for the purpose of comparison. Please excuse the flash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 a closer look,,,,I think the LE 06 is a wrapper, it didnt taste right and the filler burnt a pure white ash,,,but I think your way off by condemming these as fakes by the photo's and condemming my judgement. triple cap felt like a cuban,,burned like one,,smelled like one,,,even tasted like one but hey, what do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 » a closer look,,,,I think the LE 06 is a wrapper, it didnt taste right and » the filler burnt a pure white ash,,,but I think your way off by condemming » these as fakes by the photo's and condemming my judgement. » » » triple cap » » » felt like a cuban,,burned like one,,smelled like one,,,even tasted like » one » » » » » but hey, what do I know oh yea,,,they are not sold through Habanos, this guy has been making trips to Canaduh for as long as ive known him..twenty years now:-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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