habanohal Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Kewl Beans............. Now The thibg I dont get is that the Wrapper is only 5 years old. Now with Cuban cigars, the wrapper may contribute %3 of the flavor if that. With the filler being standard tobacco. So why are they getting the astranomical priceing for these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Nice photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel39 Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 » Hey Mel, Thanx for the pictures and report.... » She epitomises what I am expecting from the Maduro 5... dark, full bodied » and brimming with true cuban flavour... :-D :-D :-D Nice one Zuma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 » Kewl Beans............. » » Now The thibg I dont get is that the Wrapper is only 5 years old. Now with » Cuban cigars, the wrapper may contribute 3% of the flavor if that. With » the filler being standard tobacco. So why are they getting the » astranomical priceing for these? interesting you say three %. have seen estimates of 5, 7, 10% etc, re the contribution of the wrapper ot the flavour. i honestly have no idea and i'm not sure any of us that smoke completed cigars are in a position to tell. be interested in any other thoughts? the samples from feb in havana were brilliant so although hefty, it might be that the prices are justified. i think that the real test will be in a few years when they are no longer the hot new thing. think of the siglo vi. for me, they have maintained their standards and, much as i hate it, deserve their hefty dosh (although if the prince of darkness wasn't creaming so much off the top.... when is he back?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepatrik Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 From http://www.cgarsltd.co.uk/document.aspx?id...advisorjuly.htm How much does the wrapper contribute to the overall taste in a cigar? There seems to be two schools of thought at the moment. The first school believes that wrappers account for 3% to a maximum 7% of taste. This is probably based on the fact that wrappers account for 2%-5% of weight in a cigar, depending on the thickness of the wrapper and the ring gauge of the cigar. The most beautiful wrappers are typically fine in texture and very thin. With large vitolas like churchills or robustos they may even account for less than 2%. The second school believes that wrappers account for a large proportion of taste, most would put it at around 60%. This is perhaps based on the fact that if you remove the wrapper, you will notice a 60% reduction of flavour and the remaining taste is not as good. Curiously, there seems to be no school of thought in between. But if you think carefully, both schools are flawed in their arguments. To say that a wrapper accounts for 5% of flavour is wishful thinking and has never been proven scientifically. I do not believe the human olfactory and taste sensations are keen enough to detect a 5% difference in flavour. To say that a wrapper accounts for 60% of flavour is even more illogical. As a typically good wrapper accounts for a maximum of 3% of weight, if it can contribute to 60% of flavour, it has to generate 20 times more flavour than the rest of the cigar per weight basis, which is chemically quite impossible. There is indeed a huge change in flavour when the wrapper is removed, but it is very probably due to the tiny air leakage through the non air tight binder, which hinders proper combustion of the tobacco at the foot. This has nothing to do with the flavour of the wrapper. The best way to find out the truth is to find out yourself. Buy loose sticks of the same cigars from different boxes from the same batch of production. Ask your tobacconist and he will tell you. Make sure that you choose completely different colours and oiliness. Label them with a number. Wear an eye mask (a handkerchief will do as well!). Ask someone to light the cigar for you. Smoke carefully and give your scores. Throw away the butts before you can see them. Remember, do not cheat. There is nothing worse than cheating yourself. Once you have completed the blind tasting, compare the scores of different colours and oiliness of wrappers and see whether you can detect a difference. You might wish to know that you may need to try more than 50 cigars to declare the result as statistically sound. I do not know the correct number but do ask a mathematician if in doubt. To be honest I can never tell any difference at all. Some say that dark wrappers give a sweeter taste on the tongue. I can never detect this either. What about the effect on aging? I can never tell any difference either. If you can, congratulations! You are the first person I know who can do so. But I must say very few people have ever tried. The bottom line is, whatever the percentage of flavour a wrapper can contribute to a cigar, if you cannot tell, why worry! The colour and oiliness of the wrapper are not to be confused with those from the binder and filler, which can be 'seen through' if you know how to. The darker and more oily the binder and filler, the more flavour the cigar has, for better or worse. And that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I have talked to many blenders many of Cuban origin that work out side of Cuba these days and most say 20 to 30% flavor for the wrapper. But the key to taste the most of it is go to a smaller ring gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Thanks for the pics and report! » the samples from feb in havana were brilliant so although hefty, it might » be that the prices are justified. i think that the real test will be in a » few years when they are no longer the hot new thing. think of the siglo » vi. for me, they have maintained their standards and, much as i hate it, » deserve their hefty dosh If we continue to buy, Habanos will continue to think it okay to raise prices...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsd Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Very nice. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habanohal Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Well I guess I will go on strike....who is with me? I have enough to last a few years if I keep it to 3 a day;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvm4 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Thanks for sharing the pictures :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 » Well I guess I will go on strike....who is with me? I have enough to last » a few years if I keep it to 3 a day;-) I may even have to resort to supplementing with NCs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Japan Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Ciao, she is not my lady, she is a cuban artist named Magali de La Cruz (Photographer for hobby) and works at Harrods JJFox as cigar conneusseur. Before she was working at Dunhill in Jeremy street. If you have interest in here art I can send here page link. Ciao G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel39 Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share Posted July 14, 2007 » Ciao, » » she is not my lady, she is a cuban artist named Magali de La Cruz » (Photographer for hobby) and works at Harrods JJFox as cigar conneusseur. » » Before she was working at Dunhill in Jeremy street. » » If you have interest in here art I can send here page link. » » Ciao » » G Hi G, thanks for that. Once I had the name, I Googled it and found her website and will take a longer look when time permits. nice music also. Mel39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel39 Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 Sorry I can't give you the real thing but thought you might be interested in some pics from this evening's cigar party. Typically for the UK, the weather was against us. It was grey and drizzling but it was a full house, with the maximum allowed of 275 persons. Being a newbie, it is difficult for me to describe the tastes and flavours but one expert told me they are definitely "Full Bodied". I did enjoy the one of the three, we were given. I guess you all know that the Maduro 5, refers to the age of the wrapper i.e. 5 years old, which makes it quite dark in colour but quite sweet. So here goes, some shots and I hope you won't be too bored. This is Sir Jimmy Saville. He is well known in the UK for his charitable work and a popular TV show for the kids, called Jim'll fix it. He is famed for his cigar smoking. I asked what he liked best and he said "Free ones" Nice maraccas! This guy has worked in the Cohiba factory for 11 years and is one of their best. He made me one for myself. Fitting the cap. He makes it look so easy. They come in a beautiful box. Shame this one's empty. This is Anna from Cohiba; I'm not sure of her position but she is well up in the company. I won't bore you with any more at the moment. the rest include some ladies there ,who were enjoying smoking a cigar. All in all a very rewarding evening and I was glad I went. Mel39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuma Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Hey Mel, Thanx for the pictures and report.... She epitomises what I am expecting from the Maduro 5... dark, full bodied and brimming with true cuban flavour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Japan Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I was there with two members of my club, what a pity not knowing each other. Anyhow I frankly did not like the cigar except the Genios. They where too much Cohiba, quite different from teh strong and full bodied cigar UI smoked coming directly from el laguito. The cigars offered here ROA (H Upmann factory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel39 Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 » I was there with two members of my club, what a pity not knowing each » other. » Anyhow I frankly did not like the cigar except the Genios. They where too » much Cohiba, quite different from teh strong and full bodied cigar UI » smoked coming directly from el laguito. » The cigars offered here ROA (H Upmann » factory) Aha, yes I do remember seeing you but paid a bit more attention to the lady I'm afraid. I was keen to see lady's smoking cigars as it is not so common and photographed a few, including your lady. I hope you don't mind. Mel39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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