Analysis: Fauxhiba Paneteloids

Ginseng · January 1, 2007

A member of another forum posted about some Cohiba Panetelas that he was gifted. From the pictures and information he posted, it was very unlikely that these cigars were authentic. Still, being as curious as I am about counterfeits, I contacted tiptone and asked if he'd be willing to send me a specimen to examine and write up. Tiptone graciously agreed. Here is my report on the Tiptone Paneteloids.

1. Preliminary Examination

As tiptone observed, these cigars are far too long. Genuine Cohiba Panetelas are of the Laguito No.3 vitola de galera and measure 4.5" x 26 ring. These, however, were 5.125" long or about 5/8" longer than they should be. This is well out of the range of variation one should ever see. Ring gauge was also slightly larger than the specification.

In this photo of two authentic and the two tiptone specimens side by side, you can see the difference in cap construction. The two real Panetelas have well constructed, multiwrap vuelta-style caps as seen in larger gauge totalmente a mano Habanos. The circular cap piece on one of the real Panetelas, second from the left, does not sit entirely smoothly on the head but this in and of itself is not necessarily a problem. In contrast, the two tiptone cigars have rather sloppy appearing heads that lack the classic triple cap appearance. One of these, second from the right, also has a wrapper texture that is just grotesque.

So, superficially, these cigars certainly appear problematic. What will happen when I take fire to the foot?

2. The Smoking

It was a sunny, windless 50-degree day and perfect for smoking. First up was the reference, a genuine Cohiba Panetelas. After an easy lightup and a few puffs later, this classic Habanos started to deliver its signature sweet espresso and cocoa. Though tiny by modern tastes, with every draw this cigar drenches the palate with oily, dense tobacco flavor. Every sip of smoke is concentrated and decadent like few fat ringed sticks made today. The ash was a fluffy medium gray and striated like my other favorite in this vitola, the Montecristo Joyitas. This cigar has been and remains a quintessential Havana cigar.

Up next came the tiptone cigar. It lit well and drew smoothly...and that is where the goodness ran out. Although a medium tobacco foundation was present, the cocoa and espresso were non-existent. In its place was a strange, medicinal woody flavor coupled with a raw, hay/straw note. Here is how it started.

And here are how the two cigars ended up. I just couldn't smoke the tiptone any more than about 2/3" as the taste was just odd. In fact, I had left about an inch of the genuine article unsmoked so I could dissect the stub but after choking back the Fauxhiba, I relit the Panetelas and smoked it down to the last 3/8" until my fingers sizzled.

Some counterfeits smoke well and others abysmally. This one was strange and sort of offensive. Would a person reasonably experienced with Habanos in general and Cohiba specifically be expected to tell that this was a knock-off from the smoking? In my opinion yes, and with moderate certainty.

Now I will highlight particular features of the bands.

As you may have noticed in the second picture, above, the bands on the genuine article and the tiptone cigars look different. Some of these differences are inconsequential in determining inauthenticity. Others, though, are dead giveaways. There is a third class of features that are not definitive in their own right but might be when coupled with other information. Let's start by taking a second, closer look at the bands on these four cigars. I would hope that even an Habanos amateur would get a gut feeling that two of these might not be kosher. Identifying the specific aspects that differ and assigning them to real or fake takes a bit more scrutiny though. That is why I often find it puzzling that folks are willing to offer "definitive opinions" based on web-quality photos. I always begin an analysis with a healthy degree of skepticism.

Ok, now that you've seen these two labels, what catches your eye? What doesn't look right? Are you sure? What might these features mean? Let's begin with a picture of the two bands laid out flat. It is always easier to make a good determination with the bands off the cigars. In this case, numerous differences can be seen. Four obvious ones stand out.

1. the dot patterns are different

2. one band says "La Habana, Cuba" while the other says only "Habana, Cuba"

3. the script fonts are different

4. the proportions of the "Cohiba" and box on the counterfeit are incorrect

Of these four things, only the last two are definitive on their own. Why not the first two? The reason is subtle. That dot pattern and wording were used on Cohiba bands between 1992 and 2003. However, the gold hot stamped "Cohiba" was used only from 2003 onward with the new dot pattern and wording. So, with respect to the first two features, only the presence of the gold lettering indicates their inauthenticity.

Why else is it useful to examine bands off the cigars? One reason is that you can look at features of the embossing on the reverse that might otherwise be obscured by the colors and patterns on the front. In this case, I saw that the embossing die was qualitatively different on the counterfeit.

Now, from the close-up of the four bands above, one could probably tell that the embossing and gold hot stamping are misregistered. Are these things indicative of fakery? The answer is an emphatic NO. Misregistration is a common manufacturing variation in printing of this type and should be completely disregarded as it provides almost no useful information. Never, ever use misregistration of colors, cutting, or embossing to confirm or disconfirm a cigar's authenticity. Here is a perfect example why.

In this photo, you see what you would normally expect to see. The colors, band trimming, embossing, and hot stamped gold are in reasonably good registration. These are a real and fake specimen from the four pictured above.

In this next photo, you see horrific misregistration of the cutting (see that the topmost row of dots are chopped), the gold emboss, and the embossing under the gold "Cohiba." Atrocious! Yet, once again, we have the real on the left and the fake on the right. Again, from the four pictured at the top of this post.

These are just a few of the many features and combinations of features that can be seen in the Cohiba band. The fact that Cohiba is the most widely counterfeited marca means there is plenty to study. But keep in mind, every marca has its own characteristic features and simply knowing a static profile or image is often of little value. The reason is that things change in time and knowing how they change, either intentionally or as a result of particular production processes is very important.

Thanks again to tiptone for sharing his cigars with me. Tucked in one's humi, a counterfeit is a novelty. Dissected and analyzed for all to see, they can become valuable opportunities to learn and to teach about not only the methods of counterfeiters, but also the critical comparisons that can be made.

Speaking of dissection, here are the guts of the tiptone cigar. The wrapper had dried out to the point where it fragmented as I tried to unwrap it. The two leaves of binder came off intact. When burned, they had a bitter smell that contributed to the chemical scent I picked up in the smoke. The filler was stemmy and very dry which is unusual in genuine cigars. Granted, I did not smoke it long enough to generate much internal moisture but they were still more fragile than is normal. In a cigar of this type, there should only be 1 or 2 filler leaf pieces.

I hope you've found this installment as entertaining and as informing to read as it was for me to carry out.

Wilkey

genevapics · January 1, 2007

As always, nice work Sherlock Ginseng.

skid11 · January 1, 2007

Very Good Ginseng..................... Well done... a good post:ok:

BigSlick · January 1, 2007

Cool post Gensing! Thanks for taking one for the team! Excellent review and the pics were great!

Stalebread · January 1, 2007

Very informative and interesting. This is one of those posts I will re-read numerous times. Thanks!

wp2 · January 1, 2007

Very nice work! Excellent photos & descriptions.

Great way to start the New Year.

ccsmoker · January 1, 2007

GREAT:clap:

atomross13 · January 1, 2007

Very indept analysis, thank you.

Miami101 · January 1, 2007

Wow this was great to read.

Question:

Do you have Cohiba Esplendidos in stock. If yes I would like to send you two Cohiba Esplendidos to review.

Story behind the two boxes:

My friend got the boxes from Cuba from a shop in Cuba. The normal rule is they let you bring in two boxes of Cuban cigars at the Air Port. Note sometimes they take them.

They look great, but the problem comes when I smoke them. Most of them have been great, but I have had one, or two that where not so great.

Let me know and I will mail you:

COHIBA ESPLENDIDOS

Professor Twain · January 1, 2007

Great post. The closeup photos and side by side comparisons are particularly helpful.

DrAlejandro · January 3, 2007

awesome post bud, thanks a ton

stever · January 3, 2007

Wow! Excellent detail. :ok: Thanks for the time and diligence you've put into this research. If I get any suspects, I'm definitely sending them your way.

12stones · January 3, 2007

Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to be so detailed and descriptive.

Andyman · January 4, 2007

Between the caps and the bands - they are the worst "legit" Cohibas I have ever seen.. The bands look terrible

marco polo · January 9, 2007

Great info! I love these kind of threads!

El Presidente · January 9, 2007

Well done Wilkey :clap:

They are some bloody awfull fakes :lol:

WOXOF · January 11, 2007

Thanks Wilkey. As allways, it was a very informative and well written review.

joeydoggs333 · February 17, 2008

THAT IS SOME GREAT INVESTIGATIVE RESEARCH MY FRIEND,

» A member of another forum posted about some Cohiba Panetelas that he was

» gifted. From the pictures and information he posted, it was very unlikely

» that these cigars were authentic. Still, being as curious as I am about

» counterfeits, I contacted tiptone and asked if he'd be willing to send me

» a specimen to examine and write up. Tiptone graciously agreed. Here is my

» report on the Tiptone Paneteloids.

»

» 1. Preliminary Examination

» As tiptone observed, these cigars are far too long. Genuine Cohiba

» Panetelas are of the Laguito No.3 vitola de galera and measure 4.5"

» x 26 ring. These, however, were 5.125" long or about 5/8" longer than they

» should be. This is well out of the range of variation one should ever see.

» Ring gauge was also slightly larger than the specification.

»

» In this photo of two authentic and the two tiptone specimens side by side,

» you can see the difference in cap construction. The two real Panetelas have

» well constructed, multiwrap vuelta-style caps as seen in larger

» gauge totalmente a mano Habanos. The circular cap piece on one of

» the real Panetelas, second from the left, does not sit entirely smoothly

» on the head but this in and of itself is not necessarily a problem. In

» contrast, the two tiptone cigars have rather sloppy appearing heads that

» lack the classic triple cap appearance. One of these, second from

» the right, also has a wrapper texture that is just grotesque.

»

» So, superficially, these cigars certainly appear problematic. What will

» happen when I take fire to the foot?

»

» 2. The Smoking

» It was a sunny, windless 50-degree day and perfect for smoking. First up

» was the reference, a genuine Cohiba Panetelas. After an easy lightup and a

» few puffs later, this classic Habanos started to deliver its signature

» sweet espresso and cocoa. Though tiny by modern tastes, with every draw

» this cigar drenches the palate with oily, dense tobacco flavor. Every sip

» of smoke is concentrated and decadent like few fat ringed sticks made

» today. The ash was a fluffy medium gray and striated like my other

» favorite in this vitola, the Montecristo Joyitas. This cigar has been and

» remains a quintessential Havana cigar.

»

» Up next came the tiptone cigar. It lit well and drew smoothly...and that

» is where the goodness ran out. Although a medium tobacco foundation was

» present, the cocoa and espresso were non-existent. In its place was a

» strange, medicinal woody flavor coupled with a raw, hay/straw note. Here

» is how it started.

»

» And here are how the two cigars ended up. I just couldn't smoke the

» tiptone any more than about 2/3" as the taste was just odd. In fact, I had

» left about an inch of the genuine article unsmoked so I could dissect the

» stub but after choking back the Fauxhiba, I relit the Panetelas and smoked

» it down to the last 3/8" until my fingers sizzled.

»

» Some counterfeits smoke well and others abysmally. This one was strange

» and sort of offensive. Would a person reasonably experienced with Habanos

» in general and Cohiba specifically be expected to tell that this was a

» knock-off from the smoking? In my opinion yes, and with moderate

» certainty.

»

» Now I will highlight particular features of the bands.

»

» As you may have noticed in the second picture, above, the bands on the

» genuine article and the tiptone cigars look different. Some of these

» differences are inconsequential in determining inauthenticity. Others,

» though, are dead giveaways. There is a third class of features that are

» not definitive in their own right but might be when coupled with other

» information. Let's start by taking a second, closer look at the bands on

» these four cigars. I would hope that even an Habanos amateur would get a

» gut feeling that two of these might not be kosher. Identifying the

» specific aspects that differ and assigning them to real or fake takes a

» bit more scrutiny though. That is why I often find it puzzling that folks

» are willing to offer "definitive opinions" based on web-quality photos. I

» always begin an analysis with a healthy degree of skepticism.

»

» Ok, now that you've seen these two labels, what catches your eye? What

» doesn't look right? Are you sure? What might these features mean? Let's

» begin with a picture of the two bands laid out flat. It is always easier

» to make a good determination with the bands off the cigars. In this case,

» numerous differences can be seen. Four obvious ones stand out.

»

» 1. the dot patterns are different

» 2. one band says "La Habana, Cuba" while the other says only "Habana,

» Cuba"

» 3. the script fonts are different

» 4. the proportions of the "Cohiba" and box on the counterfeit are

» incorrect

»

» Of these four things, only the last two are definitive on their own. Why

» not the first two? The reason is subtle. That dot pattern and wording were

» used on Cohiba bands between 1992 and 2003. However, the gold hot stamped

» "Cohiba" was used only from 2003 onward with the new dot pattern

» and wording. So, with respect to the first two features, only the presence

» of the gold lettering indicates their inauthenticity.

»

» Why else is it useful to examine bands off the cigars? One reason is that

» you can look at features of the embossing on the reverse that might

» otherwise be obscured by the colors and patterns on the front. In this

» case, I saw that the embossing die was qualitatively different on the

» counterfeit.

»

» Now, from the close-up of the four bands above, one could probably tell

» that the embossing and gold hot stamping are misregistered. Are these

» things indicative of fakery? The answer is an emphatic NO.

» Misregistration is a common manufacturing variation in printing of this

» type and should be completely disregarded as it provides almost no useful

» information. Never, ever use misregistration of colors, cutting, or

» embossing to confirm or disconfirm a cigar's authenticity. Here is a

» perfect example why.

»

» In this photo, you see what you would normally expect to see. The colors,

» band trimming, embossing, and hot stamped gold are in reasonably good

» registration. These are a real and fake specimen from the four pictured

» above.

»

» In this next photo, you see horrific misregistration of the cutting (see

» that the topmost row of dots are chopped), the gold emboss, and the

» embossing under the gold "Cohiba." Atrocious! Yet, once again, we have the

» real on the left and the fake on the right. Again, from the four pictured

» at the top of this post.

»

» These are just a few of the many features and combinations of features

» that can be seen in the Cohiba band. The fact that Cohiba is the most

» widely counterfeited marca means there is plenty to study. But keep in

» mind, every marca has its own characteristic features and simply knowing a

» static profile or image is often of little value. The reason is that things

» change in time and knowing how they change, either intentionally or as a

» result of particular production processes is very important.

»

» Thanks again to tiptone for sharing his cigars with me. Tucked in one's

» humi, a counterfeit is a novelty. Dissected and analyzed for all to see,

» they can become valuable opportunities to learn and to teach about not

» only the methods of counterfeiters, but also the critical comparisons that

» can be made.

»

» Speaking of dissection, here are the guts of the tiptone cigar. The

» wrapper had dried out to the point where it fragmented as I tried to

» unwrap it. The two leaves of binder came off intact. When burned, they had

» a bitter smell that contributed to the chemical scent I picked up in the

» smoke. The filler was stemmy and very dry which is unusual in genuine

» cigars. Granted, I did not smoke it long enough to generate much internal

» moisture but they were still more fragile than is normal. In a cigar of

» this type, there should only be 1 or 2 filler leaf pieces.

»

» I hope you've found this installment as entertaining and as informing to

» read as it was for me to carry out.

»

» Wilkey

joeydoggs333 · February 17, 2008