El Presidente Posted October 19 Posted October 19 Question for those that are into both NC and CC. Are there true NC collectibles? If you believe there are, give us some examples iI there a box or boxes that you would snap up if you see them come up/availabe? What would they be? Why would they pique your interest? 2
ElLoboLoco Posted October 19 Posted October 19 There’s plenty of Opus X collectables. An Opus X Phantom from 1994 for example. I would think Original Release Padron Anni’s and many of the special releases would fit the bill as well. I would say many of the Tatuaje Monster Series’s are very collectible. Me? I would not buy them because I have kids in college. 🤣 Some of the obscure oldies I look back fondly….surely long gone as there weren’t really collectors items at the time but crazy good cigars Original Bahia Trinidads from Tony Borhani Old Belinda Blue bands La Luna releases from Gael de Courtivron. 3 1
Çnote Posted October 19 Posted October 19 7 hours ago, Odessa said: Arturo Fuente Rosado Sungrown Magnum R 52. Isn't this pretty common? I know there's a couple RSG that aren't, Fuente being Fuente. For me, it's a question of price. I'll dig through a display @ msrp looking for backstock, but I'm not much interested in cigars priced as art collections. My personal favorite acquisition method is to buy current releases to trade for old stock. It's almost always buying Fuente, or better, backstock pipe tobacco. Investment advice? Fuente limited releases are the best immediate gainers outside of CC. Extremely rare Fuente doesn't lose value, but can be illiquid. Very selective Tatuaje goes up fast, or at least has. It's certainly a fluid market and extremely fickle. Best NCs for money? SnS Boxes I'd be interested in? Viaje Private Keep Aqua. Warped Lirio Rojo. 4
JDoughty Posted October 20 Posted October 20 Certainly. Anything historic and interesting. Really anything older is of at least some interest to me. I don't collect to resell, just for fun and for the chance to taste tobacco of bygone eras. Davidoffs are highly collectible and seem nigh on immortal despite how mild many of them are. A number of companies have limited releases that are probably very collectible, though with the exception of the limited release Tatuajes, Davidoffs and Padrons, none really tickle my palate. I do not like Opus X or really any of the Fuente cigars, but they are collectible. Ridiculously so. 1
Ford2112 Posted October 20 Posted October 20 I would love to get my hands on some original E.P. Carrillo La Gloria cigars from the 90s, preferably around '95. I am not a cigar collector and most likely would smoke them anyway. 4
Mr. Japan Posted October 20 Posted October 20 After the breakdown between Fuente and Meeraphel, I think the cigars made with that wrapper could be a good collectable box. If you like them. 3
BrightonCorgi Posted October 20 Posted October 20 The NC Partagas 150 Humidor should be on the list. Plenty of figurado Fuentes that are worth holding onto. 1
Popular Post JDoughty Posted October 20 Popular Post Posted October 20 Here's an NC collectible I just unearthed from the bottom of one of my big chest humidors. Love those heavy old things, they hold humidity and temperature perfectly and don't need nearly as much maintenance as my electronic ones. https://halfwheel.com/my-father-el-picador/9605/ Bought it on original release to smoke not to collect, but somehow I still have a few left since I always buy way more cigars than I actually have time to smoke. 😆 6
Çnote Posted October 20 Posted October 20 On 10/21/2025 at 12:58 AM, BrightonCorgi said: The NC Partagas 150 Humidor should be on the list. Plenty of figurado Fuente's that are worth holding onto. Party 150 humidor 2000 release is at $14k retail today. Probably a steal compared to anything else that old. Pretty much any sealed Fuente has cache with enough age, double if it's not standard stock. On 10/20/2025 at 10:44 PM, Mr. Japan said: After the break out between Fuente and Meeraphel I think the cigars made with that wrapper could be a good collectable box. If you like them. I've seen about 100 boxes DC disappear from local stores over the past month. Some savvy buyers out there. On 10/20/2025 at 6:32 PM, Ford2112 said: I would love to get my hands on some original E.P. Carrillo La Gloria cigars from the 90s, preferably around 95 . I am not a cigar collector and most likely would smoke them anyway. Hmmmm On 10/21/2025 at 2:45 AM, JDoughty said: Here's an NC collectible I just unearthed from the bottom of one of my big chest humidors That's cool but I want to see the humidor 👀 In this line, store exclusives are very 😎 . 3
BrightonCorgi Posted October 20 Posted October 20 23 hours ago, Çnote said: Party 150 humidor 2000 release is at $14k retail today. Probably a steal compared to anything else that old. I know someone with two of them. Also had the complete production Habanos catalog from mid 90's on. I haven't spoken to him in some time, but I think he auctioned most of the stuff off, or at least I hope he did! 2 1
Lucas Buck Posted October 20 Posted October 20 21 hours ago, ElLoboLoco said: There’s plenty of Opus X collectables. An Opus X Phantom from 1994 for example. I would think Original Release Padron Anni’s and many of the special releases would fit the bill as well. I would say many of the Tatuaje Monster Series’s are very collectible. Me? I would not buy them because I have kids in college. 🤣 Some of the obscure oldies I look back fondly….surely long gone as there weren’t really collectors items at the time but crazy good cigars Original Bahia Trinidads from Tony Borhani Old Belinda Blue bands La Luna releases from Gael de Courtivron. How interesting. I have lots of most of these and haven’t smoked any in years. Wonder where I could put them up for auction?
Hoosh Posted October 20 Posted October 20 I’m of the opinion that “generally,” NC aren’t even meant to be collectibles. There are plenty that are sought after - and worth smoking after finding - but I’m stuck at recalling a manufacturer (besides Fabrica5) who says to “buy my product and then specifically hold a cigar because it will be better years from now.” That’s not at all what NC are about. Plus, most manufacturers hold them for a time after rolling anyway. Sure, there are boxes one may want to hold on to for a specific reason (scarcity, celebratory reasons, etc), and I’m sure there are some folks out there doing such, but I’d posit there’s very few NC smokers out there buying a box of LFD Andalusian Bulls to hold them for the next two years in hopes that they will “mellow out” and become a “better cigar.” If they are, they’re missing out on what that cigar is all about. Different cigar, different mindset. 1 1
ElLoboLoco Posted October 20 Posted October 20 21 hours ago, Lucas Buck said: How interesting. I have lots of most of these and haven’t smoked any in years. Wonder where I could put them up for auction? I don’t know honestly. Perhaps there’s some sort of auction site. More likely some underground Facebook groups exist. Facebook I think has cracked down on it but I haven’t been there in years. Who needs the drama. 🤣 I have sold off some sealed vintage pipe tobacco at “tinbids” but don’t think anyone has created a Non-Cuban Bond Roberts. 1
JDoughty Posted October 20 Posted October 20 There's Cigar bid? I'm a hoarder rather than a seller though. 😆 1
ElLoboLoco Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Cigar Bid is a retailer, part of the Cigars International conglomerate. Definitely no private sales of vintage cigars.
JDoughty Posted October 21 Posted October 21 6 hours ago, ElLoboLoco said: Cigar Bid is a retailer, part of the Cigars International conglomerate. Definitely no private sales of vintage cigars. It might be a different site I'm thinking of. Cigar Land maybe? I'm a greedy hoarder and I don't want to sell anything, so I didn't pay much attention when it was being discussed on Reddit. 😆
comptalk Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/20/2025 at 10:44 PM, Mr. Japan said: After the breakdown between Fuente and Meeraphel, I think the cigars made with that wrapper could be a good collectable box. If you like them. I do not think it will matter much to AF. I've tried Meeraphel, I do not care for them. They are overpriced. I have a good amount of AF, mostly Opus and Don Carlos. I have some Lost City, but I feel they are hit or miss. I still find the 8-5-8 sungrown is a great daily smoker. Most of my stock is Cuban, but I do like AF and Padron. The first release of the 2004 (I think) Padron Serie 1926 had a special humidor. I think I paid 400 for it. That might be a collectible. Not sure. Still have the original cigars in there too. 1
zacca Posted yesterday at 03:19 AM Posted yesterday at 03:19 AM On 10/20/2025 at 4:23 PM, Hoosh said: I’m of the opinion that “generally,” NC aren’t even meant to be collectibles. There are plenty that are sought after - and worth smoking after finding - but I’m stuck at recalling a manufacturer (besides Fabrica5) who says to “buy my product and then specifically hold a cigar because it will be better years from now.” That’s not at all what NC are about. Plus, most manufacturers hold them for a time after rolling anyway. Sure, there are boxes one may want to hold on to for a specific reason (scarcity, celebratory reasons, etc), and I’m sure there are some folks out there doing such, but I’d posit there’s very few NC smokers out there buying a box of LFD Andalusian Bulls to hold them for the next two years in hopes that they will “mellow out” and become a “better cigar.” If they are, they’re missing out on what that cigar is all about. Different cigar, different mindset. Interesting. I’m not a NC aficionado but I’ve spoken with more than one who has explicitly said ABs NEED to be put down for a couple years. Heard similar from what I recall from a few YouTube reviewers as well. I’ve never had one so I can’t comment, but my understanding of them has been that they need time so ive heard of people buying and putting them away. 1
barrygoodvibes Posted yesterday at 03:25 AM Posted yesterday at 03:25 AM For me it was a box of Fuente Don Carlos the Shark.
Popular Post Cigar Surgeon Posted yesterday at 04:08 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 04:08 AM I collected the Oliva Serie V original releases from 2007 to 2013. I have multiple boxes of each. 5
Hoosh Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 20 hours ago, zacca said: Interesting. I’m not a NC aficionado but I’ve spoken with more than one who has explicitly said ABs NEED to be put down for a couple years. Heard similar from what I recall from a few YouTube reviewers as well. I’ve never had one so I can’t comment, but my understanding of them has been that they need time so ive heard of people buying and putting them away. That is interesting to me. I’ve smoked at least two boxes of those (easier to get than singles, though I certainly do buy them when a box isn’t available) and never once thought about keeping one for years. I’m not looking for a “mellow” AB and I cannot imagine what someone is looking for out of that cigar by forgetting about it. There are plenty of good, “mellower” NCs out there if that’s what one is trying to accomplish. Not having had one that has rested for years, I can’t speak on the flavors after such a rest, but I’ve never read anything from Litto Gomez, or anybody in the family, saying the AB would be a “better” cigar with years of rest. As I mentioned, I think it goes against what LFD puts out there flavor and strength wise anyway, and it -more than likely - changes how they wanted to release the cigar. I just had one the other day after a week or so in my humidor and it was burning a hole through the cedar to get out and be smoked! It was two and a half hours of cigar pleasure! 🙂 1
zacca Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 8 hours ago, Hoosh said: That is interesting to me. I’ve smoked at least two boxes of those (easier to get than singles, though I certainly do buy them when a box isn’t available) and never once thought about keeping one for years. I’m not looking for a “mellow” AB and I cannot imagine what someone is looking for out of that cigar by forgetting about it. There are plenty of good, “mellower” NCs out there if that’s what one is trying to accomplish. Not having had one that has rested for years, I can’t speak on the flavors after such a rest, but I’ve never read anything from Litto Gomez, or anybody in the family, saying the AB would be a “better” cigar with years of rest. As I mentioned, I think it goes against what LFD puts out there flavor and strength wise anyway, and it -more than likely - changes how they wanted to release the cigar. I just had one the other day after a week or so in my humidor and it was burning a hole through the cedar to get out and be smoked! It was two and a half hours of cigar pleasure! 🙂 From what I recall of those conversations, it wasn't so much of a mellowing/milder version, it was more about much better flavors, but still punchy. I’d love to pick up a few and try it both ways myself but every time I think of them, they're sold out everywhere…singles, not boxes. 1
WestCoastSmokin Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago On 10/21/2025 at 7:23 AM, Hoosh said: I’m of the opinion that “generally,” NC aren’t even meant to be collectibles. There are plenty that are sought after - and worth smoking after finding - but I’m stuck at recalling a manufacturer (besides Fabrica5) who says to “buy my product and then specifically hold a cigar because it will be better years from now.” That’s not at all what NC are about. Plus, most manufacturers hold them for a time after rolling anyway. Sure, there are boxes one may want to hold on to for a specific reason (scarcity, celebratory reasons, etc), and I’m sure there are some folks out there doing such, but I’d posit there’s very few NC smokers out there buying a box of LFD Andalusian Bulls to hold them for the next two years in hopes that they will “mellow out” and become a “better cigar.” If they are, they’re missing out on what that cigar is all about. Different cigar, different mindset. This is 100% spot on from what I see out in the NC groups. For myself I buy NC to smoke so I don’t go smoking all of my CC lol. No idea on what is valuable or “Rare”. There's no point except for maybe the original releases from back in the day, or hard to find releases. Even then I see many people just light 'em up right away and smoke them, instead of holding on to them to age or resell down the line. NC are made for today, CC are made for tomorrow, and that’s why I thoroughly enjoy buying CC, I can age them for as long as I’d like and extends the hobby further for myself. 3
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