Can AI exist on a diet of lies? Or does its future require the end of tribalism?

[VeguerosMAN]

As a prime X member I use their AI Grok every day to generate memes to shill my shitcoins. So far, I am very impressed with the results. I also noticed that X AI is more honest than Google and Chat GPT. When an AI is learned to lie then I think it's extremely dangerous for humanity. 

[NSXCIGAR]

If AI was ever powerful enough to tell us the truth (or as close to the truth as humans can comprehend) we would immediately shut it off or ignore it. You think our wives would ever ask an advanced AI if her ass really looked fat in those jeans?

[El Presidente]

23 hours ago, 99call said:

But if you want to cast him out of hand because he's involved in the arts, I understand.

God forbid no!!!!  Such a left hook to throw 

What I would love to ask him is how often he uses the tech? What has his real life experiences been? How would he regulate, educate this new tech? 

Three years in using the tech, maybe a few months less, but I have found it to be a very decent reference resource.. It is that, a resource. Do I trust it absolutely? no. Am I concerned about the "final game" it doesn't even know its playing? of course. 

The world doesn't deal in tech absolutes. This genie is out of the bottle. Regulate it within an inch of its life in the USA/EU/UK, someone else will push the paradigm. 

My personal issue with "stars" spouting opinion is that they are seldom seriously challenged. 

In terms of our esteemed Stephen, he opines to lessons of Zeus and Prometheus. I am sure he knows (hopefully).....that they actually didn't exist? Let's not hold him back however. Still, if Bud from Arkansas used a similar line with Santa Claus and the Grinch, they would be all over him as an X platform redneck freak. However, Stephen is super polished, a "celebrity" and even when equating the moral challenge of AI  to Greek mythology...is actually taken seriously...in some quarters. 

I want to hear from the 41 execs recently released from Open AI. I want to hear from Meredith Whittaker who if I remember correctly was head of safety...of this once non profit organisation. 

All due respect to Stephen Fry, David Attenborough and Mickey Mouse 

[BrightonCorgi]

AI's best use is in private industry. Parsing big data in walled gardens. Biotech and finance for instance. I have several customers that run AI against their crown jewel data. 

The biggest threat to the cyber world is data integrity. Just think if someone could alter electronic medical records for instance. Change your allergy list or blood type. We usually think of ransomware or data theft. Data integrity happens behind the scenes and not so easily caught. Expand the altering to larger scale, and now data cannot be trusted that is used decide many things.  

Companies that invest heavily in intellectual property have safeguards to varying degrees, but that's not case "en masse". AI going to make average person dumber. Those who grow up with only knowing AI as source aren't going to dig deeper on its response. How many are going to question the sources used to build AI's answer?

The questions asked to public generative AI are stored and can be used for or against anyone asking the same later on. Don't forget they own all the input's given to it.

[99call]

8 hours ago, El Presidente said:

God forbid no!!!!  Such a left hook to throw 

What I would love to ask him is how often he uses the tech? What has his real life experiences been? How would he regulate, educate this new tech? 

Three years in using the tech, maybe a few months less, but I have found it to be a very decent reference resource.. It is that, a resource. Do I trust it absolutely? no. Am I concerned about the "final game" it doesn't even know its playing? of course. 

The world doesn't deal in tech absolutes. This genie is out of the bottle. Regulate it within an inch of its life in the USA/EU/UK, someone else will push the paradigm. 

My personal issue with "stars" spouting opinion is that they are seldom seriously challenged. 

In terms of our esteemed Stephen, he opines to lessons of Zeus and Prometheus. I am sure he knows (hopefully).....that they actually didn't exist? Let's not hold him back however. Still, if Bud from Arkansas used a similar line with Santa Claus and the Grinch, they would be all over him as an X platform redneck freak. However, Stephen is super polished, a "celebrity" and even when equating the moral challenge of AI  to Greek mythology...is actually taken seriously...in some quarters. 

I want to hear from the 41 execs recently released from Open AI. I want to hear from Meredith Whittaker who if I remember correctly was head of safety...of this once non profit organisation. 

All due respect to Stephen Fry, David Attenborough and Mickey Mouse 

You've misunderstood the whole point of why I referenced that clip. It wasn't a suggestion that this Stephen Fry was a world renowned specialist on AI, or the importance of what he was saying even centred on AI, it was about the human condition. I thought it was an interesting observation that, much like the ape with the bone at the start of 2001 A Space Odyssey, or atomic power. The first thing man seems to do when it develops a new powerful tool, is to unleash carnage. (I added another movie reference and clip...because I know you like this sort of thing.)

You've mistakenly and repeatedly pushed this Idea that I'm enamoured with the opinion of celebrities, and it's been completely rebuffed, I detest the likes of Bono, Clooney, Angelina Jolie etc, I find their Princess Di act gut-churning. Interestingly the new coterie of creepy oddballs telling the world how to live it's life is actually the tech bro's like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel. etc. I find it supremely laughable that we are to take lessons about family life, from guys that can barely string a sentence together, and make 'Rain Man' look socially gifted/talented.  

Again the clip was intended to be a entertaining throwaway observation, that for some of humanities most celebratory moments of advancement and achievement, we some how find a way of f***ing it up, and doing the opposite. I can't control the fact that you choose to take it as. "This is who I think is an AI expert, and he's now about to tell you about AI." You just span your own narrative. 

I have enough self awareness to know I may have a little bit of a chip (iceberg) on my shoulder, about the UK class system, and the damage I think it's caused.,,but equally I think you might have a bit of a problem with famous people Rob. Were you once jilted by a starlet or something? Or were you the talent!? That never got the part you deserved? For what it's worth, I think FOH's gain, is Aussie cinemas loss. 

[El Presidente]

Touché!  

I do have an auto gag response when I come across deification of celebrity. 

It stuns me that people who called out "follow the the science" during covid and climate change roll out their politically correct shiny celebrity (arts/sports/business) gods for reference on complicated issues. Fry's diatribe was a cracker. 100% theatre/zero light. 

Cheers 

Rob

Author of Cigars and Celebrity

 

[99call]

58 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Fry's diatribe was a cracker. 100% theatre/zero light. 

It may have shed zero light on AI, but I did think it was interesting comment on the human condition, which is why I posted it. We get given a shiny new toy, and somehow manage to impale ourselves with it, time and time again. 

Your authoring of 'Cigars and Celebrity', may just be you arranging a hit list, and getting others to do the google searches for you....cunning. But, I see what your up to.

[99call]

Please don't anyone tell Rob...but I really enjoyed this!