frenchkiwi Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 Best thing I like about this is the uneasy feeling it creates because you know someone can choose to take offense at this, as Foucault would say we have internalized societal norms and discipline ourselves (some would call it political correctness), but this breaks through and bites a little as only pointed comedy can. Or as Freud would say sometimes a t-shirt is only a t-shirt. 🤣 1 1
dominattorney Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, frenchkiwi said: Best thing I like about this is the uneasy feeling it creates because you know someone can choose to take offense at this, as Foucault would say we have internalized societal norms and discipline ourselves (some would call it political correctness), but this breaks through and bites a little as only pointed comedy can. Or as Freud would say sometimes a t-shirt is only a t-shirt. 🤣 But what would zizek say?
frenchkiwi Posted January 15, 2023 Posted January 15, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 1:18 PM, dominattorney said: But what would zizek say? Excellent question as Zizek could well write a whole article on it and nobody would know what he would write, but it would be entertaining and make a few interesting points, presumably about symmettries and asymmettries between gender identity politics and fat-slim body politics in the "western" world - e.g. where are the points on the spectrum for fatness that consitute identities (being a bit rotund himself he would enjoy this immensely) - when are you "cool" or "fit enough for social media" and at what point do you transition to "dad bod". And then at what point do you feel you have to change to conform to some expectation? who sets the terms for these power relations and what are all the hypocritical positions involved? should trans-gender people feel outraged by the t-shirts joke alignment between their struggle and the slim-fat issues? Or are you just as discriminated against being obese as you are with some non-conventional gender identity and is there some kind of alliance to be made here. Is the joke really on the person wearing this tshirt who thinks it is mainly a sarcastic comment about the "absurdity" of gender identification - Zizek would probably re-interpret it as a joke on everyone in a few different ways depending on the point he wanted to make. It could even be a ironic celebration of this whole tshirt analysis as a bunch of "first world problems". This t-shirt slogan is exactly the type of anecdote he loves to use to make his points. It would probably be a fun read (unless he went too deep into the hegelian-lacanian stuff) and fire in all different directions as usual, coming up with more questions. At a guess but who knows... 🥸😅 1
dominattorney Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 10:47 PM, frenchkiwi said: Excellent question as Zizek could well write a whole article on it and nobody would know what he would write, but it would be entertaining and make a few interesting points, presumably about symmettries and asymmettries between gender identity politics and fat-slim body politics in the "western" world - e.g. where are the points on the spectrum for fatness that consitute identities (being a bit rotund himself he would enjoy this immensely) - when are you "cool" or "fit enough for social media" and at what point do you transition to "dad bod". And then at what point do you feel you have to change to conform to some expectation? who sets the terms for these power relations and what are all the hypocritical positions involved? should trans-gender people feel outraged by the t-shirts joke alignment between their struggle and the slim-fat issues? Or are you just as discriminated against being obese as you are with some non-conventional gender identity and is there some kind of alliance to be made here. Is the joke really on the person wearing this tshirt who thinks it is mainly a sarcastic comment about the "absurdity" of gender identification - Zizek would probably re-interpret it as a joke on everyone in a few different ways depending on the point he wanted to make. It could even be a ironic celebration of this whole tshirt analysis as a bunch of "first world problems". This t-shirt slogan is exactly the type of anecdote he loves to use to make his points. It would probably be a fun read (unless he went too deep into the hegelian-lacanian stuff) and fire in all different directions as usual, coming up with more questions. At a guess but who knows... 🥸😅 Coffee wo milk. Capitalism assimilates anticapitalist rhetoric. Solidarity. Nonideology. Catastrophe. Hegel. 1
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