Havana Syndrome : Best Explanation?

[PapaDisco]

Sounds like good old fashioned espionage to me.  High frequency radio waves and microwaves have a well established history of being used to remotely pickup vibrating surfaces, so you can 'hear' a conversation in a room just from the subtle vibrations of the window panes.  Once the windows are secured (double/triple pane, vibration deadeners, etc.) then you need an item planted in the room to oscillate.  Originally this was a purpose built thing that would be secretly implanted in the room/walls, or, as the technology improved, could be some purely passive item already in the room.

As the oscillating surfaces got less and less 'perfect' you'd have to up the energy of the system: stronger and stronger radio waves with greater focus.  And it's well established that strong frequencies ain't good for you.  Climb a big FM radio tower and hang out next to the antenna and you'll be barfing in 5 minutes.

So I would guess that they're not trying to kill anyone, just being reckless in their espionage and probably starting to enjoy all the hubbub they're causing.  And there's probably at least some of the cases that can be put down to placebo effect, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the vast majority were civil servants getting slowly microwaved.

[Troels]

Sounds like stress 🤯

[SpecialK]

2 hours ago, PapaDisco said:

it wouldn't surprise me at all if the vast majority were civil servants getting slowly microwaved.

I prefer my civil servants roasted, the texture from a microwave is off for me.... 

[Bijan]

If it's radiation in any form it is easy to detect (with detectors as from amazon). Either it is not radiation or the US government or foreign service doesn't want to address the problem.

 

[Bijan]

Specifically microwave radiation, which sounds like the most likely cause, is especially easy. My father in law went over my house and moved my wifi points around. Just running the microwave oven makes the meter go off the charts.

Again with their level of resources and current technology they could monitor the microwave radiation in each square inch of their facilities 24/7 and on the person of each of their staff in and out of the facility.

If it is microwave radiation it is absolute negligence on their part.

 

As to what it most likely could be, if it is real, then the most likely cause is chemical/biological. You can use microscopic amounts. There are no cheap sensors. The sensors are not generic. You can use whole families of chemicals/agents that are yet unknown to the other side. You can use doses so small that that they take a long time to build up to noticeable effects. You can put them in food, water, on objects or in the air. Just way more plausible than radiation.

Edit: also if the other side starts to suspect what it is, you can switch chemicals.

[riderpride]

On 11/12/2021 at 8:38 AM, Cigar Surgeon said:

If it was only happening to Americans, possibly. But it's been happening to Canadian diplomatic staff as well. 

Agreed. My sister and brother-in-law have refused postings, as have the bulk of their coworkers. Whatever the cause is, the effects are real and many Canadian diplomats are demanding to go elsewhere, and we have companies that are JV partners in Cuban business and contribute significantly to the tourism industry. I'm not sure of a logical reason for targeting the Canadian embassy. 

[bmac]

Perhaps the forum has spies embedded to win hearts and minds??😂Anything is plausible when it comes to diplomacy,right?🤔

[Fuzz]

On 11/13/2021 at 2:38 AM, Cigar Surgeon said:

If it was only happening to Americans, possibly. But it's been happening to Canadian diplomatic staff as well. 

Even better! Attack your neighbour too to help re-inforce the story!

[Meklown]

On 11/13/2021 at 2:30 AM, Corylax18 said:

we're going to need more than: "I know they did it."

of course not. "weapons of mass destruction" was reason enough .. 

[GavLew79]

HPM weapons are indeed a thing, I saw them demonstrated as early as 2009. 

This could indeed cause pain, cellular damage and all sorts of random effects. 

But as Bijan has noted, detection is easy, all you need is an Electric field strength meter or, if you want to know a bit more, spectrum analyser. 

So if not RF energy, it could be sound. Inaudible of course, so it could be infra-sound or ultra-sound, but the ear still may be sensitive to large magnitude waves; hence the hearing damage.

Ultrasound can be used for movement detection and ranging of objects

Infra-sound I don't know much about, other than perhaps hearing tales of making people vomit, poo their pants or other involuntary bodily, er, machinations. 

I suspect foul play. Look at what Western militaries experimented with on their own troops, back in the day. Given where our adversaries are today in terms of morals and scientific advancement, I'd say they are experimenting on unwelcome guests. 

[PapaDisco]

Detection of microwaves is easy, but only when the emitter is actually on.  Plus they likely ain't using no sloppy generator from your mom's kitchen. 

[Bijan]

6 minutes ago, PapaDisco said:

Detection of microwaves is easy, but only when the emitter is actually on.  Plus they likely ain't using no sloppy generator from your mom's kitchen. 

Yes but they're only harmful when on and you can monitor 24/7. Also any amount that is harmful is detectable no matter the emitter.

As far as I know though. There might be other frequency ranges or effects that might be harder to detect but straight microwaves are science fair level stuff.

On the other hand chemical/biological toxins can be harmful at levels much lower than are already present in the environment (in terms of parts per billion). So you have to know what you're looking for and can't just run an off the shelf air quality meter.

[NickoBlanc]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:19 PM, SpecialK said:

I prefer my civil servants roasted, the texture from a microwave is off for me.... 

It's the stirring half way through that always puts me off...😆

[Chas.Alpha]

30 minutes ago, Bijan said:

Yes but they're only harmful when on and you can monitor 24/7. Also any amount that is harmful is detectable no matter the emitter.

As far as I know though. There might be other frequency ranges or effects that might be harder to detect but straight microwaves are science fair level stuff.

On the other hand chemical/biological toxins can be harmful at levels much lower than are already present in the environment (in terms of parts per billion). So you have to know what you're looking for and can't just run an off the shelf air quality meter.

The Cubans themselves wouldn’t be capable of this. The Russians on the other hand had a lot to lose from a Cuba/US thaw in relations...

[Fuzz]

3 hours ago, Chas.Alpha said:

The Cubans themselves wouldn’t be capable of this. The Russians on the other hand had a lot to lose from a Cuba/US thaw in relations...

Damn Yanks! Spreading their chem trails everywhere!!

[Fuzz]

On 12/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, therealrsr said:

nah, they are just crop dusting covid vaccine man.

Oh how I wish they could aerosolise it. Great for when people protest.