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You can laugh all you want, but some doctors believe that alternating different vaccines is more effective than repeated vaccination of the same one
I mean, Cuba is losing a lot of money due to quarantine restrictions. Using imported vaccines they will accelerate the pace of vaccination and can increase the effectiveness of re-vaccination

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3 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Would have been cheaper and all over by now if they had just bought the J & J vax in March...:rolleyes:

Or just joined the COVAX Initiative and received free vaccines ... instead of developing 3 local ones that will not be internationally approved.

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What the Cubans think of the Chinese vaccine arrival :

Cubans recriminate the Government for the delay in receiving foreign vaccines

Until now, no official from the Ministry of Public Health or the Cuban executive has offered more details about the arrival on the island of the Chinese antidote.

14ymedio, Havana | August 29, 2021

https://www.14ymedio.com/cuba/cubanos-recriminan-Gobierno-tardanza-recibir-vacunas-extranjeras_0_3158084163.html

The news that this Sunday the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine will begin to be applied to some 400,000 residents of the province of Cienfuegos has fallen like a jug of cold water for many Cubans who had believed to the letter the official propaganda campaign deployed by more of a year around the national antidotes.

Now, astonishment and surprise have taken hold of many citizens after hearing the words of Vicente Vérez Bencomo, general director of the Finlay Vaccine Institute (IFV), who explained that the immunization scheme that will be applied in Cienfuegos will include two doses of Sinopharm and a reinforcement of Soberana Plus to "protect the population more quickly."

The change of discourse is significant. Shortly after the first cases of covid-19 were detected on the island, the Government opted to develop vaccine candidates and argued that decision with concepts such as "sovereignty", "independence" and "more than a vaccine, it is a country", which is they were widely disseminated in the official press, social networks and hospitals.

The complaints focus mainly on the delay in receiving foreign vaccines and the cost in lives that this decision has entailed. Last February it was confirmed that the Cuban authorities declined to receive the covid-19 vaccines distributed by the Global Access Fund for Vaccines (Covax), which planned to deliver more than 35.6 million doses to 33 countries in Latin America.

Instead, Havana preferred to position itself as a producer and supplier country of its own antidote and continued with the development of its five vaccine candidates, but several experts warned of the risk that it could be left behind and urged the Government to accept the Covax vaccines. to immunize, at least in a first stage, health personnel and the most vulnerable people.

Instead of opting for a combined solution of foreign and own vaccines, the ruling party justified the decision by reiterating the option of sovereignty and called the independent media "insane and aggravating" that, like 14ymedio, had indicated that the country was, of the entire continent, the one that began the vaccination process with the longest delay.

"The saddest thing is the number of avoidable deaths due to a bet," added Luis González, an Internet user who alluded to the rise in positive cases and deaths that has kept the island's hospital system, funeral services and cemeteries.

Others, such as a tweeter by the name of Pedro, recalled that the propaganda around national vaccines evoked the failed "Ten million harvest, the production of meat and milk for export, the plans of the Havana cordon and all the string of lies and failures for 62 years ", all projects surrounded by triumphant headlines but which ended up failing.

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9 hours ago, nKostyan said:

You can laugh all you want, but some doctors believe that alternating different vaccines is more effective than repeated vaccination of the same one
I mean, Cuba is losing a lot of money due to quarantine restrictions. Using imported vaccines they will accelerate the pace of vaccination and can increase the effectiveness of re-vaccination

I'm not laughing. Its not funny that thousands of Cubans died so that the regime could beat their chests and pretend to be hero's. Its a disgrace. This type of stubborn incompetency will come to define this pandemic, around the world. If they had made this choice 5 or 6 months ago, maybe the financial losses would have been less. Unfortunately this kind of self destructive obstinance is hardly unique to Cuba over the last year and a half.

As others have posted, they had several options, months ago, all of which would have been better than what they did. 400,000 out of 11 million isn't going to solve the problem, but hopefully its a step in the right direction. None of the now 3 vaccines in use have shown to be particularly affective, but as Nino mentioned atleast the Chinese Vaccine has some international acceptance. I know most of the developed world still isnt recognizing it, but the dozen or so is higher than it is for the Cuban and Sputnik vaccines. The experimental interface of those two along the north coast of Cuba has been choppy, at best. 

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3 minutes ago, Corylax18 said:

but as Nino mentioned atleast the Chinese Vaccine has some international acceptance.

The Sinopharm vaccine is officially recognized by the WHO. The Cuban vaccines have not even passed Phase 3....

But as you say- it will be only 400K Sinopharm vaccines for the Cienfuegos province ... a drop in the Ocean.

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59 minutes ago, Nino said:

The Sinopharm vaccine is officially recognized by the WHO

I know, but that's completely inconsequential. The rest of the world is keeping the WHO at two or three arms length at this point. 

If the main goal is to boost tourism(which it appears to be) this isn't the way to do it. Of the 50 countries that do approve the vaccine, very few export any tourists at all. Even if the whole country where to get Sinopharm that changes nothing for tourists from Canada, The U.S., the majority of the E.U. I dont think Montenegro and Cyprus are going to keep the Cuban tourism economy afloat.  

No one trusts the WHO or China right now. The article below outlines some of the hesitancies. Every Vaccine isn't created equal, Despite what the WHO wants people to believe. There are wild varying levels of efficacy across the world, China even admits their vaccine is at the low end of that spectrum. 

https://blog.wego.com/sinopharm-approved-countries/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2021/07/01/who-western-countries-accept-travelers-chinese-vaccine-sinovac-sinopharm/7834519002/

https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

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1 hour ago, Corylax18 said:

The rest of the world is keeping the WHO at two or three arms length at this point.

No one trusts the WHO or China right now. The article below outlines some of the hesitancies. Every Vaccine isn't created equal, Despite what the WHO wants people to believe. There are wild varying levels of efficacy across the world, China even admits their vaccine is at the low end of that spectrum. 

 

I fully agree with you and I don't trust neither the WHO nor China - But : If that vaccine is approved officially people can travel with it ( Germany and the EU accept Sinopharm as a valid vaccine ... )

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I'm not laughing. Its not funny that thousands of Cubans died so that the regime could beat their chests and pretend to be hero's. Its a disgrace. This type of stubborn incompetency will come to define this pandemic, around the world. If they had made this choice 5 or 6 months ago, maybe the financial losses would have been less. Unfortunately this kind of self destructive obstinance is hardly unique to Cuba over the last year and a half.
As others have posted, they had several options, months ago, all of which would have been better than what they did. 400,000 out of 11 million isn't going to solve the problem, but hopefully its a step in the right direction. None of the now 3 vaccines in use have shown to be particularly affective, but as Nino mentioned atleast the Chinese Vaccine has some international acceptance. I know most of the developed world still isnt recognizing it, but the dozen or so is higher than it is for the Cuban and Sputnik vaccines. The experimental interface of those two along the north coast of Cuba has been choppy, at best. 

When I said laughing, I didn't mean you.
As for the Chinese vaccine, there may be pure marketing here. The same marketing as the recognition or non-recognition of any vaccines. Unfortunately, the world has not been able to unite to fight the pandemic together.
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Xi says China willing to walk together with Cuba in building socialism

Xinhua
30 Aug 2021, 22:05 GMT+10

 

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BEIJING, Aug. 30 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping said Monday that China is willing to walk together with Cuba in building socialism and be good partners in pursuing common development in a phone conversation with Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel.

Xi also said China is willing to join hands with Cuba in being good exemplars of anti-COVID-19 fight and good comrades in strategic coordination.

In their talks, Diaz-Canel conveyed Comrade Raul Castro's sincere greetings to Xi, and briefed Xi on the recent domestic situation in Cuba. Xi asked Diaz-Canel to convey his cordial greetings to Comrade Raul Castro.

Xi pointed out that under the strong leadership of the Communist Party of Cuba, Cuban comrades have forcefully defended their revolutionary achievements with no fear for the powerful and unyielding struggle.

Historically speaking, the socialist cause has never been smooth, and the communists have always strived for survival, development and victory through struggles, he said.

China, Xi said, always believes that the right to choose one nation's own path of social development should be respected, and that unilateral sanctions against other countries or external interference in other countries' internal affairs should be opposed.

China has always supported Cuba in taking the development road in line with its national conditions and building prosperous and sustainable socialism, and backed the country's just fight to safeguard the security of its national sovereignty and oppose interference of the powerful, he added.

China will continue to provide assistance and support within its capacity to Cuba in fighting against the pandemic and improving people's wellbeing, Xi said, expressing his belief that Cuba will make new progress in its socialist cause.

 

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Xi stressed that under the careful cultivation and vigorous promotion of successive generations of leaders of the two parties and countries, China-Cuba relations have grown even stronger as time goes by, becoming a model of solidarity and cooperation between developing countries.

No matter how the situation changes, China's policy of sticking to long-term friendship with Cuba will not change, and its willingness to deepen cooperation in various fields with Cuba will not change, Xi said.

China, Xi said, is ready to intensify high-level exchanges with Cuba, strengthen exchanges and mutual learning in governance of party and state, deepen anti-pandemic cooperation, promote practical cooperation and push for even greater development in bilateral relations.

The two sides should intensify their strategic coordination on international and multilateral occasions to safeguard the common interests of developing countries, Xi said, adding that China will continue to uphold fairness and justice for Cuba in both speeches and deeds on the world stage.

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9 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

No one trusts the WHO or China right now.

 

Hey! I trust China... to do what is in their best interests.

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Hey! I trust China... to do what is in their best interests.

At least they definitely had the original strain of the virus to create a vaccine
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