Help ID-ing

[northo]

Just wondering if anybody could shed any light on a couple of curiosities I found in my humidor.

The Partagas I think is a Habanero from a 25 box from the early 90s. Found them completely dried out in a draw of my grandfathers (which explains its devilish good looks).

But the RA I've no idea about, and no idea how I got them. Also 125mm, so could be a Belvedere, but the RG seems smaller than 39.

If anybody has any more informed opinions, would appreciate them...

(And apologies if this isn't the correct bit of the forum!)

[99call]

Ramon Allones Belvedere?

[northo]

Yeah, just kind of a guess based on what they seem most similar to on cigars-review, I'm not sure they're made any more. (I would've bought them 10+ years ago, probably in Spain.)

[cfc1016]

Maybe the Panetelas (conchitas vitola, 127mm x 35rg). Machine made; cello; 25s and 10s; pre-1960/discontinued late 1990s, per CCW. 

Especially with machine-made sticks, ring guage is far from consistently precise. Length too. Lots of swing - I'd say even up to 5mm of length. Add onto that the likelihood the cigar will 'shrink' a bit after many years of aging... and LxW isn't a guaranteed identifier, unfortunately.

[Fugu]

As 99call already said, it's a Belvederes. Don't give too much about the rg-measurements. They are figurado, box pressed and highly variable. I may take comparison measurements if you wish, but there really is no other vitola to be considered.

[northo]

Thanks guys! I didn't know that about the potential size discrepancies in old MM cigars. 

And yeah- these are definitely a figurado, and box pressed, so sound like a Belvedere.

[Mikeltee]

Well the real question here is how did they smoke?