Bored today

[Vito]

So I figured I’d Sara wrap my boxes and then wrap them in foil and label them. I figured they’re good and acclimated and it can’t hurt to do this plus it’ll keep my hands outta them. I wrap them with the Saran Wrap and then tape the seam shut with duct tape and then I wrap them with the foil. 
  The foil doesn’t serve any purpose other than looking cool, to me, and they’re easier to slide around in and out of tight spots in the cooler. When it’s just the Saran Wrap, they tend to stick to each other - the boxes - making it a pain. 

[PigFish]

... you must be a serious asset around the holidays! Enjoy your spare time.

-the Pig

[Subcomandante]

Must be nice to not have kids. ?

[Vito]

1 hour ago, Subcomandante said:

Must be nice to not have kids. ?

It so is. I always say that to my brother who has two toddlers. There’s immense reward to both ways of living. 

[Vito]

4 hours ago, PigFish said:

... you must be a serious asset around the holidays! Enjoy your spare time.

-the Pig

It actually took me awhile to figure out how to wrap with the foil. I went on YouTube to watch a video on it and just practiced till I had it right. My first ones looked horrible so I redid them once I had done all of my other boxes and saw those first bad examples sitting there, not looking right. So I redid em. But I’m glad I learned how as now I will be an asset, you’re right Pigfish. 

[havanaclub]

Hopefully that stinky duck tape doesn’t affect the cigars.

As an aside, I do wrap a few boxes in wax paper to age.


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[Habana Mike]

That's one way to keep your hands out of the cookie jars! Damn!

[Islandboy]

I can totally appreciate your passion here, but it wouldn’t work for me. Every morning, right before I embark on a fresh day of cat-hearding - aka “work”, I open the humi and pick out a few boxes to stick my nose in. If a sneeze comes on, I consider myself fortunate, as this bodes well for my future. To each his own when it comes to motivational practices. ?

[Vito]

2 hours ago, havanaclub said:

Hopefully that stinky duck tape doesn’t affect the cigars.

As an aside, I do wrap a few boxes in wax paper to age.


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I thought about that but I super-wrapped them with the Saran Wrap first so I feel that any scent that does come from the fresh tape will be safely kept from the actual box/cigars. But regardless, the worry of a possible scent isn’t motivating me to redo all these boxes (more are not in this picture). Too much work and I’m feeling lazy after all this work. My back hurts. Maybe down the road if I have another bored day, I’ll redo them with unscented tape. 

[Nino]

Looks perfect for long time aging to me - well done !

I am too lazy, just place them in Ziplock bags and inside airtight metal lockers.

[Vito]

4 hours ago, nino said:

Looks perfect for long time aging to me - well done !

I am too lazy, just place them in Ziplock bags and inside airtight metal lockers.

This^^^^^ is like having a blessing from THE Cigar God himself I must say! Thank you Nino. You’re comment is all the seal of approval I’ll ever need, that’s for sure. Wasn’t looking for it but by god I’m appreciative to have it from you. Also, if I remember correctly, isn’t you’re collection over the top? I think I saw a picture of a lot of those metal boxes you say you don’t even put Bovedas or any humidification device in and they hold just fine because of the rubber gasket they have on them. I think that was you if I’m remembering correctly. Anyways, it’s always a pleasure reading your posts. Thank you Nino.

 

3 hours ago, crking3 said:

How many did you leave to smoke ? Lol


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Plenty. More than enough and I’ve more than a sane man should have enroute also. Just stopped over at my brothers this morning and went through my other cooler I have stashed in his wine cellar(perfect temp although my house is too, it just keeps my hands off em and it gives me an excuse to go over there. I’ve got another at my dads place in Golden, CO, only 30 minutes from me. So I’ve got stock stashed all over the local Denver area. ? 

[Silverstix]

Very cool looking indeed and if I didn’t have kids and a wife I’d probably do this too hahaha. For now, I go ziploc freezer bag and then into my gasketed Tupperware container. I figure this keeps them pretty protected from air while still giving me the flexibility to inspect for mold or beetles every now and then (read: excuse to play with my cigars)

 

 

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[Bagman]

Wouldn't it be easier to just vacuum seal them?

[Vito]

30 minutes ago, Monterey said:

Wouldn't it be easier to just vacuum seal them?

Yes, It would have been easier to do a lot of things other than what I did.  Hell, it would have been easier just to throw them in the humidor as is, but I chose to do it this way because I like them like this.

[Lucass111]

Yes, It would have been easier to do a lot of things other than what I did.  Hell, it would have been easier just to throw them in the humidor as is, but I chose to do it this way because I like them like this.

What kind of cooler do you use? Looking to get one for more storage.

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[Rhinoww]

As a noob with a few boxes in storage in my Coolidor bare I have to ask. What is the benefit of the individual wrap?  Does that keep other cigars from influencing flavor?

[TheGipper]

It won't harm the cigars at all, but you're in for an interesting lesson about how aluminum degrades in a humid environment over time. 

I used to do this (minus the saran wrap) until I found that out.  Then bought a vacuum sealer and I use that for long term aging.  I also use wax paper for medium term aging.

I don't have experience using saran wrap, but I suspect it is a rather poor water vapor barrier, moreso than one would think.  Certainly not as good as tightly wrapped wax paper.

[prodigy]

It won't harm the cigars at all, but you're in for an interesting lesson about how aluminum degrades in a humid environment over time. 
I used to do this (minus the saran wrap) until I found that out.  Then bought a vacuum sealer and I use that for long term aging.  I also use wax paper for medium term aging.
I don't have experience using saran wrap, but I suspect it is a rather poor water vapor barrier, moreso than one would think.  Certainly not as good as tightly wrapped wax paper.

Saran wrap has near 0 permeability. I'm not sure what wax paper is, but I doubt its lower than saran wrap. I've been wrong before though haha.

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[Vito]

48 minutes ago, TheGipper said:

It won't harm the cigars at all, but you're in for an interesting lesson about how aluminum degrades in a humid environment over time. 

I used to do this (minus the saran wrap) until I found that out.  Then bought a vacuum sealer and I use that for long term aging.  I also use wax paper for medium term aging.

I don't have experience using saran wrap, but I suspect it is a rather poor water vapor barrier, moreso than one would think.  Certainly not as good as tightly wrapped wax paper.

Well then, by god, I’ll tear all of this up and start anew! 
 

And what’s the lesson? Don’t mention this “lesson” then not enlighten me. I really don’t want to have to have my cigars ruined if it doesn’t have to be that way. Thanks in advance.

 

As far as I’ve researched, aluminum foil doesn’t corrode or oxidize.

[TheGipper]

33 minutes ago, prodigy said:

Saran wrap has near 0 permeability.

If you're interested, do some reading on MVTR and polyethylene (Saran wrap material).  You may be surprised what you find out.

 

[Nino]

3 hours ago, Vito said:

This^^^^^ is like having a blessing from THE Cigar God himself I must say! Thank you Nino. You’re comment is all the seal of approval I’ll ever need, that’s for sure. Wasn’t looking for it but by god I’m appreciative to have it from you. Also, if I remember correctly, isn’t you’re collection over the top? I think I saw a picture of a lot of those metal boxes you say you don’t even put Bovedas or any humidification device in and they hold just fine because of the rubber gasket they have on them. I think that was you if I’m remembering correctly. Anyways, it’s always a pleasure reading your posts. Thank you Nino.

 @Vito Pleaaaaze .... don't go overboard and embarrass me - too much Vaseline in one post .... ?

I have no seals - not even in my metal lockers - but you have my seal of approval for your method that you so passionately followed through.

No - my collection is not "over the top", it is mostly below ground ( in content and location )...

Yes - I posted here some time ago about my method ( which I learned from good friends who still use it like me ) of metal lockers - Zarges - which I humbly consider a perfect method to store cigars long term.

Here is the link to my comments and pictures in that Thread from 2012 :

 

And you are right - there is no need to use any humidification in this system/lockers. Perfect.
KISS : Keep It Simple ...

Thank you for your kind words @Vito I just try to contribute.

And FYI : Here is a new Zarges metal locker I just received a month ago - a pretty historical one, from 1962, German Army Medical Kit - have 2 of those now and like 8 normal "ones".

PS : The boxes have not yet been placed in Ziplock bags here !

Enjoy your collection !

 

 

 

[TheGipper]

27 minutes ago, Vito said:

Well then, by god, I’ll tear all of this up and start anew! 
 

And what’s the lesson? Don’t mention this “lesson” then not enlighten me. I really don’t want to have to have my cigars ruined if it doesn’t have to be that way. Thanks in advance

No, I said it won't harm the cigars.  I know my post sounded like criticism, but it wasn't.

Every time these storage method threads start, they get filled with people with no experience with a particular storage method telling people who have tried those methods why they don't know what they're talking about.  Every time.

So don't undo your aluminum wrapped boxes.  Maybe your particular locale will be different than mine.  The cigars will be fine if you keep them inside actively humidified container.  Let us know how it went after a couple years or more.

[Vito]

1 minute ago, TheGipper said:

If you're interested, do some reading on MVTR and polyethylene (Saran wrap material).  You may be surprised what you find out.

 

I did. I read all of those papers/works you posted years ago. I’m very familiar with you and most of your posts. Learned a lot as I do from so many here. I look at it as a buffet though.....I take what I want and leave the rest. Unless something is truly detrimental to someone’s cigars/mine, I think there’s many ways to skin a cat; some better than others. I don’t know, I think I’m just going to leave things the way they are as I’m pretty satisfied and comfortable with the conditions I’ve got them in. Is there a better way? Absolutely! There always is. I choose to do it this way after many years of doing this but I will also do some in wax paper too now that you mention it. And I do recall seeing on some old documentary about Cuban cigars that I can’t find now, where this Englishman is in the basement of Foxes I think it is, looking through his stock and checking it, explaining about aging cigars to the camera, and some of his boxes are wrapped in wax paper. Also I’ve seen Ajay’s old boxes of Dunhills that were in wax paper.

      Is there a certain brand of wax paper you recommend? Also, could you post a picture if it’s not too much of a hassle so I can see how it looks and how tightly you’re getting it. I’d appreciate it. Oh and one more thing......do you wrap the box with anything before you put the wax paper around it? Thanks ? 

[Vito]

40 minutes ago, crking3 said:

LOL.. well I kno who hit up next time I roll through CO


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Absolutely.  This forum does a pretty good job of vetting people.  99% of the men and women here are great people, so that would be fine by me.  As for your question above about why it does not need humidification.  They are airtight, like truly airtight/watertight so the boxes/cigarsa just act as there own humidification devices and regulate each other.  No need for water unless every box you put in was waaaay dry.

[Vito]

45 minutes ago, crking3 said:

LOL.. well I kno who hit up next time I roll through CO


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