Maybe he should have kept it to himself...

[MoeFOH]

Distraught as I was at the result (I'm a Chelsea supporter), when looking at the Premier League app this morning, the top two article titles made me chuckle... @El Presidente and @bayala this should appeal to you guys. 

[El Presidente]

I plan on watching the replay later today 

[bayala]

It's ok mate. You'll bring in Guus Hiddink to steady the ship soon. Then onto the next manager. Rinse & repeat. 

[MoeFOH]

1 minute ago, bayala said:

It's ok mate. You'll bring in Guus Hiddink to steady the ship soon. Then onto the next manager. Rinse & repeat. 

Bring back Roberto Di Matteo! Lol. 

[kuma]

they got crushed.

[CaptainQuintero]

  Just seems like another player-power downing of tools until they get rid of the manager they dislike, seems that in this day and age being able to stroke the egos of your players is far more important than traditional managerial skills.

  I was thinking a few days back if it was one of the reasons why Ferguson retired when he did; saw the sea change that players were becoming bigger than the clubs and the owners/boards would back them over the managers.

[bayala]

6 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

  Just seems like another player-power downing of tools until they get rid of the manager they dislike, seems that in this day and age being able to stroke the egos of your players is far more important than traditional managerial skills.

  I was thinking a few days back if it was one of the reasons why Ferguson retired when he did; saw the sea change that players were becoming bigger than the clubs and the owners/boards would back them over the managers.

Chelsea's affinity with player-power is ingrained in the club since the Abramovich era began. Terry, Cole & Lampard oversaw the sacking of 12 managers. Sadly, I think that culture has been passed down to the Hazard's, Willian's and Azpilicueta's. 

Sarri needs two to three seasons  and some serious investment to get the team where he would like it. I'd be surprised if he sees next season if they don't make the champs league places. 

[MoeFOH]

24 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

Just seems like another player-power downing of tools until they get rid of the manager they dislike

Agree. No better example than the Mourinho situation at Utd. Look at the transformation under Ole, with the exact same player group. I'll be surprised if Abramovich shows much patience. The upcoming cup ties will likely decide Sarri's fate... if it's not already decided. 

What's more troubling to me, as a Chelsea fan, is their transfer savvy. Too many rising star/fringe players are loaned out or traded away only to hold on to inconsistent, below-par performers. More than anything, they seem to get this part of their front office management wrong. For me, no matter who the manager is, it all starts with the right player roster. 

[OZCUBAN]

It was pure class look out Klopp look out Liverpool we’re coming 

[OZCUBAN]

[OZCUBAN]

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[CaptainQuintero]

Can't agree more with @bayala @MoeFOH 

Mourinho built a technically great team with his second go at Chelsea, but the team was full of poisonous egos and they ousted him, Conte comes in a wipes the floor with against all comers with the same players who the week previous couldn't even trap and pass, until they fell out with him and he was sacked too, rinse and repeat. He pretty much did the same at United.

Mourinho v Hazard

Arsenal XI v Wengar

Conte v Costa

Mourinho v Pogba

Sarri v Hazard

  They went from literally not being able to play football one Saturday then 7 days later being world class under a new manager and not once had a board backed a manager over a big name. Is it purely down to stuff like shirt sales?

  I think the main reason why pep does so well isn't that he's some footballing messiah, it's just that he comes across as one of the lads and he isn't an authority figure. Klopp similarly doesn't have an aura of authority; he's more like a crazy uncle who you enjoy playing football around and have fun with.

  There was a huge piece in the papers here about how Mourinho hasn't moved with the new era of football tactics, I don't buy it, he (and others) simply haven't moved with the new era of player power. It's moved hugely if, for example, the rumours are true that at Barca Messi gets the final say on all transfers.

Neymar needs no explanation.

  You can see at United, all Ole has done is bring back Fergie's coach to look after training sessions while he creates a happy atmosphere and keeps the talent feeling special. I'm not knocking it, it clearly works, maybe that's how things are going to be nowadays.

[MoeFOH]

17 hours ago, CaptainQuintero said:

It's moved hugely if, for example, the rumours are true that at Barca Messi gets the final say on all transfers.

Wow. I didn't know about that one. That seems too crazy to be true, so it probably is true. 

The whole thing sets a very dangerous precedent. And I find it a bit rich, no pardon on the pun, that ridiculously well-paid athletes can hold a club and its fans to ransom like that. I subscribe to the method of a dictatorship when it comes to sports teams and coaching. Not an evil tyrant, but a strong leader, who is, as far as his players go, for the majority of the time, beyond question. Let the players give everything to that cause, good or bad, and let the results speak for themselves. Then, front office management can step in if it all goes pear-shaped. If players are simply allowed to not perform in order to oust a manager because they don't like his tactics, then they're literally ripping the fans off--no one else.

Mourinho's Utd is again a great example. I don't believe it was his tactics or managerial methods that caused the poor results, he's won too many leagues and cups to not know how to get it done. It was simply a player mutiny. And I find that puerile and disgraceful, to be honest. After all, football managers are not asking their players to advance on a beachhead or storm the trenches under heavy machine-gun fire. They're asked to give everything to a game which they supposedly love, for better or worse, and be extremely well-paid to do so. Is that so godawfully hard to do? I understand that players want to win things, but that will come along naturally if they give their all, and they can always move along when their contract is up, or ask for a transfer, if they don't like the managerial situation at their club. 

Man Utd are in the midst of a Premier League purple patch (although, I think, bar Spurs, they haven't had the toughest opposition over that time), and Ole seems like a miracle worker, but what will happen when, inevitably, some tough results roll in? Who will be to blame? Not the players. God, no. That's why Utd will appoint a new manager, in my opinion, because they can't afford for that tough period to occur under Solskjaer at the start of a new season. Too late to bring in the new guy, then. 

In sum, I don't care which team it is, I think it's an insidious culture, and one that clubs would do well to stamp out rather than bow to. 

[MoeFOH]

22 hours ago, crking3 said:

Man they got smoked today !!!! Defensively it was a nightmare....the midfielders defended horribly around the box .....absolutely awful ....I think it’s about time to drop Kante back and move Jorginho ?.....and stop playing Pedro


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Move Kante back... YES! I think the other two have roles to play, but it all starts with the little man being in his rightful position in the spine of the team. No manager, to my knowledge, ever used Claude Makelele as an attacking midfielder. And he made the Real Madrid and Chelsea teams of their day almost unbeatable. Kante is almost a double of him. He may even be better. It's a no brainer, in my opinion. Sarri is doing himself and the team no favours in stubbornly persisting with this. 

[CaptainQuintero]

16 minutes ago, MoeFOH said:

Wow. I didn't know about that one. That seems too crazy to be true, so it probably is. 

The whole thing sets a very dangerous precedent. And I find it a bit rich, no pardon on the pun, that ridiculously well-paid athletes can hold a club and its fans to ransom like that. I subscribe to the method of a dictatorship when it comes to sports teams and coaching. Not an evil tyrant, but a strong leader, who is, as far as his players go, for the majority of the time, beyond question. Let the players give everything to that cause, good or bad, and let the results speak for themselves. Then, front office management can step in if it all goes pear-shaped. If players are simply allowed to not perform in order to oust a manager because they don't like his tactics, then they're literally ripping the fans off--no one else.

Mourinho's Utd is again a great example. I don't believe it was his tactics or managerial methods that caused the poor results, he's won too many leagues and cups to not know how to get it done. It was simply a player mutiny. And I find that puerile and disgraceful, to be honest. After all, football managers are not asking their players to advance on a beachhead or storm the trenches under heavy machine-gun fire. They're asked to give everything to a game which they supposedly love, for better or worse, and be extremely well-paid to do so. Is that so godawfully hard to do? I understand that players want to win things, but that will come along naturally if they give their all, and they can always move along when their contract is up, or ask for a transfer, if they don't like the managerial situation at their club. 

Man Utd are in the midst of a Premier League purple patch (although, I think, bar Spurs, they haven't had the toughest opposition over that time), and Ole seems like a miracle worker, but what will happen when, inevitably, some tough results roll in? Who will be to blame? Not the players. God, no. That's why Utd will appoint a new manager, in my opinion, because they can't afford for that tough period to occur under Solskjaer at the start of a new season. Too late to bring in the new guy, then. 

In sum, I don't care which team it is, I think it's an insidious culture, and one that clubs would do well to stamp out rather than bow to. 

  I agree with all this! It probably comes down to a spreadsheet, man u probably bring in more money from advertising and shirt sales from Pogba and their brand more than other revenue streams, as soon as he was benched by Mourinho he wasn't on TV any more and it was a risk to their accounts so off went Mourinho.

  It's like the while thing about players being booked if they take their shirts off when they celebrate a goal. Supposedly it's because it causes a delay to the match, but it's clearly because when a player scores, all the cameras zoom in on him and that's what the shirt sponsors are paying for. No shirt on, no happy sponsors, so in comes the yellow card rule. It's said a lot but money really does rule over every facet of the game now 

 When Madrid bought Ronaldo (POR) they apparently made up his world record fee in a matter of weeks purely on shirt sales, same with Pogba. With that much clout nowadays I suppose players really can be bigger than a club, certainly a manager unless they are winning everything consistently.