Cuba Plane crash

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Tragic . Speaking of old planes , it's somewhat unnerving when you see ashtrays in the armrests .

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Listado de pasajeros de avión accidentado

Un total de 107 pasajeros y 6 tripulantes viajaban en la nave

Autor: Redacción Digital | [email protected]

19 de mayo de 2018 17:05:34

No.	Nombre Y Apellidos	Numero Identidad	Observaciones
1.	Alexia Garcia Leyva	17021860610
2.	Kendry Morales Meneses	15060861223
3.	Gabriela Machado Morales	13110966319
4.	Diego Pérez Chacón	12111864309
5.	Alexa Rivas Figueredo	10101567915
6.	Marina García Vega	59062611779
7.	Maria Elena Aguilar Ramos	62031911638
8.	Mirta Leonarda Anaya Peña	38110607770
9.	Martha Cabrera Caballero	49012806279
10.	Julio Toribio Espinosa Licea	39041616865
11.	Israel Gálvez Martínez	59041405888
12.	Rodolfo Hernández González	63052526625
13.	Vivian Paula Martínez Fernández	65081502753
14.	Magalys Miranda Pérez	61082014414
15.	Maricela Peña Blanco	51101808118
16.	Yainelín Rodríguez Aguedo	77120819576
17.	Eddy Antonio Rodríguez Hernández	94100342841
18.	Ernesto Roberto Rodriguez Oliva	84090921686
19.	Nirza Rodriguez Rondón	70102108770
20.	Luis Manuel Rojas Pérez	73070221881
21.	María Salomé Sánchez Arévalo	67121312870
22.	Emiley Sánchez De La O	78030927719
23.	Tania María Santiesteban Prado	69092014719
24.	Maricela Sánchez Peña	62040111033
25.	Carlos Antonio Santos González	95072944405
26.	Carmen Rosa Silva Zambrano	67041410493
27.	Norma Suárez Niles	74110714476
28.	Daniel Terrero Charchabal	96052021406
29.	Yanira Torres Cruz	82060424614
30.	Iliana Trinchet Mendoza	65100625016
31.	Inés Emilia Trinchet Mendoza	62042807614
32.	Caleb Valdés Gallego	95110129464
33.	Raúl Valdés López	71112126567
34.	Juana Amparo Valdes Peralta	57070607671
35.	Ania Varona Abrahan	65051321355
36.	Juan Luis Vega Velázquez	63062414888
37.	Rafael Vega Velázquez	64031509049
38.	Margarita Elena Velázquez Espinosa	59012808415
39.	Ronni Alain Pupo Pupo	79051119003
40.	Mariela Cruz Torres	67122720872
41.	Nelson Osorio Pérez	90120441766
42.	María Virgen Filandez Rojas	57102007557
43.	Enrique Alfredo Martínez Nates	76052131166
44.	Ricardo De La Caridad Martínez Hernández	69072000481
45.	Anyelis Meneses Del Rio	94051945138
46.	Luz Marina Milanés Cartaya	57090603011
47.	Yurisel Milagros Miranda Mulet	83073019396
48.	Adonayda Morales Varona	83090819937
49.	Elva María Mosqueda Legrá	64122627491
50.	Yailenis Navarro Díaz	95013120816
51.	Juan Carlos Nogueras Leyva	74020913568
52.	Karina Beatríz Oliva Mir	96051120257
53.	Eloy Ortiz Abad	67120127206
54.	Jorgelino Ortiz Cruz	66092324824
55.	Yanet Rosa Paz Ramírez	76060116138
56.	Yunaisi Pelegrino Reyes	79051618374
57.	Gelover Martín Pérez Avalo	74101114588
58.	Pedro Oscar Pérez Batista	88072526044
59.	Pedro Pablo Trujillo Ravelo	45063004523
60.	Grettel Isel De La Cruz Cutiño	82093025033
61.	Yunisleidys Abreu Lara	88122526176
62.	Ana Aguedo Rodriguez	57103008815
63.	Manuel David Aguilar Saavedra	75032216125
64.	Alejandro José Alvarez Crespo	92091243463
65.	Lázaro Garcia Amador	64120614442
66.	Marla Elizabeth Bauta Rodriguez	00011278496
67.	Maida Francisca Abdala Almoza	57100412756
68.	Leticia De La Caridad Almenares Pantoja	93092519939
69.	Raimundo Guillermo Almenares Sánchez	56040610328
70.	Julio César Avilés Gómez	60011514141
71.	Iskander Antonio Báster Pérez	81020819121
72.	Lorenzo Boch Bring	63080821863
73.	Jorge Alberto Borrego Cabrera	72112507924
74.	Jorge Luis Buitrago Cabrera	68010123981
75.	Gisel Buitrago Santiesteban	94091542970
76.	Carlos Miguel De La Cruz Cutiño	89012137509
77.	Juan Alberto De La Torre Alcántara	84031921700
78.	Mailén Díaz Almaguer	98122317135
79.	Adonis Díaz Oberto	78030326280
80.	Suyen Lizandra Figueredo Driggs	88072526735
81.	José Carlos Figueroa Campos	96032002903
82.	Grisell Filandes Clark	63083022434
83.	Migdalia De La Caridad Gallego Nuñez	55121412276
84.	Jesús Manuel García Oberto	74102014642
85.	Enrique González Arguelle	69112300602
86.	Yandro Enrique González Mendez	84081024346
87.	Jorge Luis Guerra Concepción	74040814645
88.	Nelson Ramón Hernandez Rodríguez	53032707449
89.	Yisell Herminia Infante Miranda	88121826094
90.	Grettel Landrove Font	95030744437
91.	Mónica Leyva García	86031208257
92.	Jose Angel Leyva Chapman	56121907181
93.	Carlos Enrique Llauró Meneses	69101600803
94.	Jean Michel Lopez Salinas	87083025808
95.	Miguel López Marrero	60110713507
96.	Patricia Dayvin Crespo Llanes	98043008130
97.	Yoneisi Cordovez Rodriguez	79102019150
98.	Lirise Cruz Pérez	93011219695
99.	Noelbis Hernández Guerrero	71012122790
100.	Frank Torres González	84120926926
101.	Meinaldo Duverger Ramos	63051109747
102.	Yovanys Ricardo Mora	79111719424
103.	Mohamed  Hach	84102400906 Pasaporte A005810	Rep.Saharahui / España
104.	Abderrahm Fadel Mustafa	80030700804 Pasaporte A001697	Rep.Saharahui
105.	Oscar Hugo Almara	Pasaporte AAB649672	Turista  Argentino
106.	Dora Beatriz Cifuentes De Almara	Pasaporte AAB650677	Turista Argentina
107.	Isela Savala Franco	Pasaporte G29077144	Turista Mexicana
108.	Miguel Arreola Ramírez	Pasaporte G17841570	Mexicana. Tripulante
109.	Jorge Nuñez Santos	Pasaporte G01989350	Mexicana. Tripulante
110.	Marco López Pérez	Pasaporte  G22332589	Mexicana. Tripulante
111.	María Ríos Rodríguez	Pasaporte  G17267633	Mexicana. Tripulante
112.	Abigail Hernández García	Pasaporte  G18860318	Mexicana. Tripulante
113.	Guadalupe LimonGarcia	Pasaporte  G22352692	Mexicana. Tripulante

[Nino]

From the NYT :
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/world/americas/cuba-plane-crash.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Hand-Me-Down Plane That Crashed Reflects a Cuban Air Industry in Crisis

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Rescuers searching through the wreckage of a Boeing 737 that crashed with more than 100 passengers on board near Havana on Friday.CreditRamon Espinosa/Associated Press

By Azam Ahmed and Kirk Semple

May 19, 2018

MEXICO CITY — Almost 40 years old by the time it crashed on Friday just outside of Havana, killing 110 people, the aging Boeing 737 had changed ownership nearly a half-dozen times, passing from operators in the United States to Canada, from Cameroon to the Caribbean.

“I actually flew that exact plane,” said John Cox, the head of the consultancy Safety Operating Systems, who traced the aircraft’s ownership back to 1979, when it was new and belonged to Piedmont Airlines, his former employer.

Though the cause of the crash has not been determined, the plane itself is a powerful symbol of Cuba’s troubled aviation industry. As tourism to the island surges, Cuba’s national airline finds itself struggling to acquire enough planes to meet the demand and maintain its decrepit fleet.

Cuba’s economy has long been in shambles, and experts say the troubles plaguing its aviation sector stem from the same obstacles that have bedeviled the country for decades: economic mismanagement and the United States embargo of the island.

 

Cuba’s problems have gotten so bad that, a few weeks ago, the country grounded most of its domestic flights because of safety concerns over its fleet. To continue flying, officials have been forced to lease planes from foreign outfits that sometimes use decades-old planes, like the one that crashed and burned right after takeoff on Friday, killing nearly everyone on board.

The old Boeing 737 had been leased to Cubana de Aviación, the state airline, by a relatively unknown Mexican company with just three aircraft in its fleet.

Some aviation industry analysts were taken aback at the plane’s advanced age.

“That’s one of the oldest passenger jets I have heard of that is still in service,” said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of the Teal Group, an aviation and aerospace consulting company in Fairfax, Va.

Though Mexican officials said the plane had passed safety inspections as recently as November, it is one of just 100 of its model still in circulation across the globe, reflecting the limited options the Cuban government has in order to continue operating its state airline.

“Whether the airline is going to survive is an open question,” said George Farinas, a retired Delta pilot who works as a civil aviation inspector and is writing a book about the history of Cubana de Aviación. “They are in a major crisis right now.”

Mr. Farinas said that Cuban officials even decided in the past against working with the Mexican company, Damojh Aerolíneas, also known as Global Air, after the flight crew that came with the lease got lost in the air on one trip. But they eventually reversed the decision, he said, “probably out of desperation.”

Adel Yzquierdo Rodríguez, Cuba’s transportation minister, said Saturday that Cubana had been renting the plane for less than a month from Damojh, and that under the rental arrangement, the Mexican owner was responsible for the aircraft’s maintenance.

Analysts sometimes disagree about which is more to blame for Cuba’s troubled aviation industry: the American embargo of the island or the country’s own history of economic mismanagement.

Some experts say the sanctions have crippled the nation’s ability to gain access to the vendors and financing needed to get new aircraft. The Cubans themselves have made the case numerous times, blaming the decades-old sanctions for their aging planes, which include Russian-made aircraft that are difficult to find parts for.

“If it were not for the embargo, they would be able to access a robust capital market for financing Western aircraft,” said Samuel Engel, the senior vice president at ICF Consulting and an expert in the international airline industry.

But many analysts say that, while a process is involved, Cuba can indeed get access to such markets, as well as planes.

“The embargo does play a role in inhibiting business with Cuba, but there are policies to promote the sale of aircraft,” said Dallas Woodrum, an associate at Akin Gump in the firm’s Washington office. “Whether businesses decide to take advantage of that is a different question, and a matter of their risk tolerance and what type of reward they see.”

 

Cuba also suffers from a cash flow problem that further hinders the purchase of international goods — a product of the sanctions but also, critics say, its poor stewardship of the economy.

 

In Havana, watching local news reports about the plane crash.CreditAlexandre Meneghini/Reuters

“The challenge is that they don’t manage the industry well,” said Emilio Morales, president of the Miami-based Havana Consulting Group, which focuses on the Cuban economy. “The business requires capital; it requires financing to maintain the planes.”

Founded in 1929, Cubana de Aviación was once the pride of the Caribbean, replete with modern planes and top-flight maintenance. But as with so many elements of Cuba’s infrastructure and transportation, that progress began to slowly, and then suddenly halt, following the revolution, economic sanctions and, later, the fall of the Soviet Union, which had helped keep the nation afloat financially.

Cars hailing from the 1960s roll down pockmarked streets, past unpainted buildings and under worn bridges. And while the government has maintained its commitment to social services, whether free health care or education, money has grown scarce.

That reality has set in for the airline industry, leaving the state airline with limited options to upgrade old planes or get new ones.

Cubana has struggled with a spotty safety record in the past — including several crashes in the late 1990s that left scores dead. The tragedies include crashes in Ecuador, Guatemala, Venezuela and off the island’s southeast coast.

Friday’s crash occurred just after noon, following the plane’s departure from Havana for the eastern city of Holguín. Emergency workers and nearby residents raced to the scene, where the battered remnants of the plane kicked up plumes of thick smoke, trying to rescue survivors.

 

Ramiro Santana Martínez, 46, a construction worker who lives about 50 yards from the crash site, said he was near his house when he heard an explosion, quickly followed by a second one.

He joined neighbors and strangers who converged on the smoldering husk of the plane, looking for survivors. Mr. Santana said charred bodies, some dismembered, were scattered across the site; some had been thrown clear of the wreckage.

A volunteer rescuer spotted movement under some fallen branches: a woman’s hand. Mr. Santana and others rushed to help pull the crying woman out and get her to an ambulance. She was burned and bloodied but conscious.

Mr. Santana said he also helped pull out two other people, both men, who were breathing at the time but inert. Cuban officials said three women ended up surviving the crash, though they were in listed in “extreme critical” condition on Saturday.

Mr. Yzquierdo, the transportation minister, said that among the 110 dead were 99 Cuban passengers, two Argentine passengers and two passengers from a disputed area of the Western Sahara.

Speaking at a news conference, Mr. Yzquierdo, said that 15 victims had been identified so far, including 10 adults and five children.

The Cuban Council of Churches said that the victims also included a group of 18 people who had traveled to a seminary in Havana.

 

Those on board the plane included five crew members, all Mexican. As part of its contract, Cubana hired them to operate the aircraft, an agreement known as a wet lease. There was no specific mention of their condition as of Saturday afternoon, but the three survivors identified by the Cuban government did not include the crew members.

Leticia Nuñez, the sister of the flight’s captain, Jorge Luis Nuñez Santos, said that her family had only heard the information reported in the media, and had not received any further details from Mexican authorities. Ms. Nuñez said she assumed the worst, but was still waiting for official confirmation.

“Sometimes crew members change, someone gets in late — we don’t lose hope, we can’t,” she said in an interview over Facebook.

Abigail Hernández, another Mexican crew member, posted a picture on her Facebook page last February in which she is seen standing and smiling in front of a red telephone box, with the comment: “Happy to get to know the world.”

The transportation minister explained that it was “normal” for the Cuban government to rent airplanes.

“Why?” he asked rhetorically. “Because it’s convenient and also because of the problem of the embargo we face, which means we sometimes can’t buy planes, the planes we need, and we have to rent them.”

[TheFullMontecristo]

some additional footage has emerged. Why does plane appear to be flying backwards on an angle?

 

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I'm not a pilot, but it appears to have lost all lift. Spiraling straight down similar to a kite that doesn't have enough wind.

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[Nino]

1 hour ago, TheFullMontecristo said:

some additional footage has emerged. Why does plane appear to be flying backwards on an angle?
 

 

some additional footage has emerged. Why does plane appear to be flying backwards on an angle?

Could be a stall caused by several reasons : one could be loss of control due to faulty calculated CoG ( Center of Gravity ), overloading, incorrect flap setting, reverser deployment or engine malfunction.

It all happened in 10 seconds, the a/c reached only 100 ft before crashing. Of the 3 survivors two have died.

As FDR ( Flight Data Recorder ) and CVR ( Cockpit Voice Recorder ) have been recovered chances are a full report will establish the cause of the crash.

[Corylax18]

18 minutes ago, nino said:

some additional footage has emerged. Why does plane appear to be flying backwards on an angle?

Could be a stall caused by several reasons : one could be loss of control due to faulty calculated CoG ( Center of Gravity ), overloading, incorrect flap setting, reverser deployment or engine malfunction.

It all happened in 10 seconds, the a/c reached only 100 ft before crashing. Of the 3 survivors two have died.

As FDR ( Flight Data Recorder ) and CVR ( Cockpit Voice Recorder ) have been recovered chances are a full report will establish the cause of the crash.

Yup, looks like a flat spin induced by a stall. Fun in a Cessna with several thousand feet of air beneath you, not so fun in a 38 year old plane 100 feet off the ground. Whats interesting is the lack of smoke/fire from the engines. As @nino stated a faulty calculation or setting by the flight crew is the most likely cause. Modern commercial airliners (and even smaller planes now) do almost all of these calculations themselves, so pilots are fogetting how to do them properly. Im not sure how long this crew had been operating this age/type plane but the avionics are a huge leap from something like this to a modern 737. 

[luv2fly]

This looks familiar to a 747 crash in Afganistan.  I believe it was from CG miscalculation or a load shift.  

Echo Nino’s thoughts.  Take off and landing are the most critical phases of flight.

I always defer to NTSB report (or the local equivalent in that country).

 

[Nino]

2 hours ago, luv2fly said:

This looks familiar to a 747 crash in Afganistan.  I believe it was from CG miscalculation or a load shift.  

Echo Nino’s thoughts.  Take off and landing are the most critical phases of flight.

I always defer to NTSB report (or the local equivalent in that country).

 

That B-747-400 cargo crash at Bagram was indeed a cargo shift on T/O as a heavy truck/load broke free and changed CG to the aft causing a stall - terrible.

@luv2fly
I agree with you that the respective NTSB in Cuba will have a report, they are assisted by a Boeing team as well.
Problem is that Cubana apparently ignored own check staff's warnings not to lease from that airline....

Sad day, I love the B-737 and have over 2.500 legs on it ... great aircraft.

[luv2fly]

27 minutes ago, nino said:

That B-747-400 cargo crash at Bagram was indeed a cargo shift on T/O as a heavy truck/load broke free and changed CG to the aft causing a stall - terrible.

@luv2fly
I agree with you that the respective NTSB in Cuba will have a report, they are assisted by a Boeing team as well.
Problem is that Cubana apparently ignored own check staff's warnings not to lease from that airline....

Sad day, I love the B-737 and have over 2.500 legs on it ... great aircraft.

Thanks for the info on the 747.

I did not know they (Cubana) ignored warnings.  Criminal in my mind.

I love the 737 as well!  Have friends that fly it and love it.

[Derboesekoenig]

I was driving outside the base at Bagram when the cargo plane went down. Saw it in slow motion...the whole experience was very surreal. I'll never forget that.