Needed or Not Needed!

[kuma]

Just thought I get some feed back as to the need for the European Union.  Looks as if the countries

that belong to that exclusive club are going through some tough times.  Was not to long ago

that the combined merger of many countries without a central goverment was going to become

a world power.  Fast forward to today and the EU is slowly unraverling starting with countries that

have a high unemployment rate (France 24%), low productivty rate (Italy, Greece, Spain, Port., Ireland,

etc, etc...) and a few rich countries (Germany) dictating the flow and direction the EU should go.  Can't help

but think that this was a bad plan from the "get go" with no central goverment, no central armed forces,

a make believe central bank and now an "open borders" problem.  EU looked good on paper

but is in my eyes unworkable.  Not sure if the US needs to station thousands of troops there

because the threat from Russia to take over Europe is never going to happen.

Don't think they want the cash poor strapped countries of euorpe.  There

are more poor countries in europe than not poor.  Why would they take that

burden on.  Not sure what the answer is but if France goes right (LePen) then all bets

are off and there is a good chance more (poor / cash strapped) countries will follow

and vote out of the EU.  And I haven't even mentioned the migrant problem.  Europe

will never be the same the face of Europe has changed forever.  I do love going to France,

Spain and Italy.  This year Europe is a "no go" for vacation (not any of the reasons stated above)

just timing.  Headed to Japan where I know my wallet won't get stolen or maybe a bomb blows my head off

as I'm smoking a great FOH smoke (bring them on trip) at a fav. out door cafe.  Yes Alice they

do out door cafes really well.  Nothing like a morning CC w / newspaper and double shot of espresso

with a 8th of an inch of creama the way only europeans know how to make which is pure heaven.  Love the fact that they (europeans)

know how to relax at cafes smoke and kick back and watch the world go by.  The americans could

learn a thing or two about relaxing but should pass on the work eithic out look.

Anyway what say you about the EU, thumbs up or thumbs down!

[Lotusguy]

Thumbs up. Good riddance England.

[PatrickEwing]

Do you have a quarterly quota on the Euro/Havana bashings? 

[RijkdeGooier]

Well there is that one thing I like. 

Many, many LCdH to visit, to smoke and to drink coffee. 

[ErikB]

Just thought I get some feed back as to the need for the European Union.  Looks as if the countries

that belong to that exclusive club are going through some tough times.  Was not to long ago

that the combined merger of many countries without a central goverment was going to become

a world power.  Fast forward to today and the EU is slowly unraverling starting with countries that

have a high unemployment rate (France 24%), low productivty rate (Italy, Greece, Spain, Port., Ireland,

etc, etc...) and a few rich countries (Germany) dictating the flow and direction the EU should go.  Can't help

but think that this was a bad plan from the "get go" with no central goverment, no central armed forces,

a make believe central bank and now an "open borders" problem.  EU looked good on paper

but is in my eyes unworkable.  Not sure if the US needs to station thousands of troops there

because the threat from Russia to take over Europe is never going to happen.

Don't think they want the cash poor strapped countries of euorpe.  There

are more poor countries in europe than not poor.  Why would they take that

burden on.  Not sure what the answer is but if France goes right (LePen) then all bets

are off and there is a good chance more (poor / cash strapped) countries will follow

and vote out of the EU.  And I haven't even mentioned the migrant problem.  Europe

will never be the same the face of Europe has changed forever.  I do love going to France,

Spain and Italy.  This year Europe is a "no go" for vacation (not any of the reasons stated above)

just timing.  Headed to Japan where I know my wallet won't get stolen or maybe a bomb blows my head off

as I'm smoking a great FOH smoke (bring them on trip) at a fav. out door cafe.  Yes Alice they

do out door cafes really well.  Nothing like a morning CC w / newspaper and double shot of espresso

with a 8th of an inch of creama the way only europeans know how to make which is pure heaven.  Love the fact that they (europeans)

know how to relax at cafes smoke and kick back and watch the world go by.  The americans could

learn a thing or two about relaxing but should pass on the work eithic out look.

Anyway what say you about the EU, thumbs up or thumbs down!

Well - certainly didn' t need to read your post


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[Shaunster]

Thumbs up. Good riddance England.

You mean UK of course. America would never join something like the EU and relinquish powers to a foreign body, but happy to dictate to the rest of the world that they should do it.



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[Lotusguy]

You mean UK of course. America would never join something like the EU and relinquish powers to a foreign body, but happy to dictate to the rest of the world that they should do it.



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Nope - because Scotland at the very least will remain

[in0gravity]

Nice, another political thread . Can we talk about US politcs as well?

 

 

 

Don't get exicted, I am not going down that road

 

regards

Lars

[Shaunster]

6 minutes ago, Lotusguy said:

Nope - because Scotland at the very least will remain

Keep dreaming! 

[RDBM]

3 hours ago, Lotusguy said:

Nope - because Scotland at the very least will remain

Not going to happen, we won't get another independence vote so soon and in order to stay that needs to happen and it needs to go through. 

[Shaunster]

8 minutes ago, RDBM said:

Not going to happen, we won't get another independence vote so soon and in order to stay that needs to happen and it needs to go through. 

Wouldnt happen even if you did vote to leave the UK. Because then you would be a 'new' country and have to apply to join the EU, and that would take years and you would have to take on the euro.

[RDBM]

3 minutes ago, Shaunster said:

Wouldnt happen even if you did vote to leave the UK. Because then you would be a 'new' country and have to apply to join the EU, and that would take years and you would have to take on the euro.

Yeah, but the first step is getting the independence vote and that's not going to happen so the rest is moot ??

[Smallclub]

7 hours ago, kuma said:

 countries that have a high unemployment rate (France 24%),

wrong. It's 10%

 Can't help but think that this was a bad plan from the "get go" with no central goverment, no central armed forces,

a make believe central bank 

the threat from Russia to take over Europe is never going to happen.

Don't think they want the cash poor strapped countries of euorpe. 

Yeah sure just look what happened to Ukraine/Crimea, one of the poorest country in Europe… And try to find out more about Lithuania and Estonia…

There are more poor countries in europe than not poor. 

Wrong as well

And I haven't even mentioned the migrant problem. 

That's a problem for the world, not only for the EU.

Europe will never be the same the face of Europe has changed forever. 

You think you know Europe because you take 2 weeks holidays in rich and/or mediterranean countries?

 

 

[CaptainQuintero]

EEC was a fantastic, brilliant idea and should have stayed as it was. It closened relationships between nations and was steadily bringing economic equality, or at the very least economic vibrancy to the continent. 

Turning into a political union and then creating a single currency for a two/three tier system of economically unequal nations was never going to work long term, and it hasn't.

Not sure what the TC is particularly saying though, the political EU is not Europe or it's people. Just as the Australian/American/etc political system/politicians are not representative of Australian people or it's culture. When the current political experiment fails the people across the continent from London to Athens, Stockholm to Rome will still be the same good honest people as before. 

It's easy to judge a nation/s by it's political nature, but in reality your judging people by their weakest, and ironically, least representative link

Go out, meet average people, be generous with your time and energy and you will see and be rewarded by the true nature of people.

 

[kuma]

For the most part the people that I did have a chance to listen and talk with when in Europe were very kind (cab drivers, food workers

news paper sellers)  and as yoiu can read they were not the Bentley folks or the Montecarlo

crowd.  They were the new arrivals from the middle east or from Africa.  Believe it or not but

the new arrivals were much more approachable and eager to talk with then the so-called European blue bloods!

Get my drift small club because there is a curtain country where they are living way beyond there means

and still acting as if they are a major power in the world when in fact they have been reduced in some

areas as a developing country because of thier economy.  They are in worst shape

than most of Europe. This certain country (and not the new arrivals)

 still has their nose in the air with a certain distain for the plight they are in.

If NATO really US needs to be there which I do not think is the case then the EU should pay the bill.

Mostly the problems of EU / Europe are of their own making like the middle east and

they need to figure it out.  But I don't think that will happen because if they could they would

have done so by now.  Small club worried about Russia taking Ukrane well why didn't the EU stop

Russia.  I will tell you why because they can't, no direction, no balls no cenral goverment

to rally the countries.  Easy pickings for Russia.  States can't fix the mess Europe is in

only the people of Europe can do that!  Small Club good luck in Europe I'll check back on

the EU in a year or two until then It is the land of the rising sun for me and even

a trip to the land of OZ where both countries have very good border control

and no bombs going off.

Oh by the way the unemplument level in France is 24% with people whose age is

27 or lower!

 

 

[El Presidente]

I have loved my time in Europe. I have loved my time in the US. Add up my visits and I have spent over a year in each but I certainly don't feel like an authority on the subject. There are so many complexities, intricacies. Same for "Asia", Central and South America. 

On many subjects I could go "Why in hell would they do that?". You dig deeper and there is a reason. It may be a  personally questionable one but the concept of decision making is to take a path .....right or wrong...and work towards a positive outcome. 

Oz is no panacea. There are things we do mostly right and a ton of things that we are bog average at. 

When I think of Europe (all those great countries that make it), when I think of the US (all those states so very different that make a nation) I would rather focus on the good and great than the questionable. 

It is a brave man to proffer unsolicited advice about the weeds in a neigbours garden while ignoring those in his own.