where are they rolled

[kuma]

I have been a member for a couple of years now and am still scratching my head wondering

where some of my favorite marcas are rolled. Case in point; I like most of the Siglo line

and often wonder if the long / short skinnies (Cohibas) are rolled in the same factory as the robusts and

Siglo I's thru Siglo VI's. From what I gather many bloggers suggest that they are farmed out to

many different factories across Cuba. Also why is there such a broad difference in wrappers

when I thought there is a set standard / practice when appling a wrapper say to a Siglo III or

VI. I'm totally confused. When in Spain / France last year I smoked many Cohibas with a light

wrapper and throughly enjoyed the flavor profile. I never came across one wrapper that

could be classfied as light dark / dark for this brand. Do the different vendors in Europe

not offer this brand with the dark wrappers to custormers because they can't get them

or they don't think custormers will enjoy them. Any input would be most interesting

to hear from members.

[garbandz]

does not matter where they are rolled.

wrappers come in many shades,depends on what is on the table that day.

all vendors get what is shipped to them .

[El Presidente]

It is quite rare to receive dark wrapper Cohiba. It is not a Cohiba wrapper at all in my opinion.

I think one of the reasons there is a current dearth in Cohiba availability out of Cuba (as I mentioned the other day) is the lack of the "right" wrapper. Given some beautiful dark wrappers on Piramides/Robusto etal, I have to give them Kudos in not putting them on Cohiba for the sake of it.

[JohnS]

Another thing to consider is market size. You mention Spain and France and those countries are among the largest consumers of Cuban cigars.

[avaldes]

I don't think Cohibas taste right with dark wrappers. I always ask for nice "orange" wrappers when I order them.

[kuma]

Ok thanks all. Not sure what the size of Spain or France has to do with wrappers. So if I understand Rob what he is

saying is that the wrappers that are being put of Cohibas from say 2014 / 2015 are not the wrappers that should be

on the Cohibas. It is a totally different animal from say 2009 / 2010 / 2011 then what is currently being made today

2015.

[Smallclub]

For the record, 98% of the retailers in France and Spain (who are "state agents") sell what the distributors (Coprova and Altadis) give to them. About 2% have enough weight to be able to require quality/wrapper/codes/whatever…

[Smallclub]

And last time I checked a popular vendor's code list, I counted 7 factory code for the CoRo, and 20 factory codes for the entire Siglo line with all the different packagings, including 15 codes for 2014. That's a lot of factories…

[kuma]

Thanks Smallclub, I guess you travel a lot to Spain / France. So what you are saying also is that what ever was the standard say

10yrs, 20yr, 30yrs ago is not the same today. How in the world are they able to keep the orginal flavor profile when all

these different factories are involved in rolling a brand?

[AlBaron]

And last time I checked a popular vendor's code list, I counted 7 factory code for the CoRo, and 20 factory codes for the entire Siglo line with all the different packagings, including 15 codes for 2014. That's a lot of factories…

Any chance of a link to that list?

I would love to see it.

Alex

[BonVivant]

Try Linea Classica and Siglo line @ BTO 2013 codes for Cohiba and it is guaranteed you will find only great cigars rolled at El Laguito Factory and everyone is going to agree with that - this is long confirmed and re-confirmed, plenty of times - funny, if anyone is going to challenge it.

[JohnS]

Another thing to consider is market size. You mention Spain and France and those countries are among the largest consumers of Cuban cigars.

No, I wasn't asserting this point from personal knowledge or experience, rather I was theorizing that market size might have had a hand in you coming across different Cohibas to other places in the world. I can't know for sure, but I know definitely in other manufacturing industries bigger markets get different brands of product to smaller markets.

If anyone knows differently that this is not the case, I'm happy to acknowledge it.