saintsmokealot Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Now the Pats have been found to deflate their balls. If they hadn't I don't think the outcome would be different but first Spygate and know Deflategate it makes one wonder what else they have been doing in terms of cheating and not getting caught.
Fosgate Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Now the Pats have been found to deflate their balls. If they hadn't I don't think the outcome would be different but first Spygate and know Deflategate it makes one wonder what else they have been doing in terms of cheating and not getting caught. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24981262/report-nfl-finds-11-footballs-were-under-inflated-in-afc-championship-game
Fosgate Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Plot thickens!!! http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/deflategate-baltimore-ravens-indianapolis-colts-deflated-footballs-012115
Ken Gargett Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 interesting piece in the wash post that basically says all the college teams not only do it but assume that all their opponents do it. as for the nfl, seriously? a billion dollar sport/game/business and they don't control the ball? i'm staggered at that. it really isn't rocket science. officials provide the balls and look after them until the game. then, any hint of anyone on either side tampering then hit them with big fines, suspensions, loss of points or loss of draft picks. something that hurts and is a serious deterrent. no more deflate-gate. honestly, you'd think this is a slow news week except for the fact that the superbowl is next up.
wabashcr Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 As a fan of the Colts, I wish this "deflategate" would blow over. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Patriots, and if they cheated, throw the book at them. But it makes the Colts look bad, like they're trying to shine attention on this in the wake of a 45-7 beating. Nobody thinks this had any real impact on the outcome of the game. I think a lot of people see it as sour grapes on the part of the Colts, which I find embarrassing as a fan. As for the game itself, while I despise both teams, it should be a fantastic matchup. I think Seattle's defense will be the difference, and they win in a close one. But I certainly don't have a ton of confidence in that prediction.
Fosgate Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah but also remember "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning." So what about when you win by intentionally cheating a little bit or a lot?
Ken Gargett Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah but also remember "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning." So what about when you win by intentionally cheating a little bit or a lot? if the pats win on the last throw then it would be more of an issue but even if that happened, would they reverse the result? i really doubt it. they need to investigate asap and if there is evidence of cheating, penalise the pats heavily and move on. question then is what penalty? do you impose a penalty that would impact on the pats in the s'bowl or for down the track? i'd be inclined for down the track. loss of picks or big fine or suspension of relevant people.
Baldy Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Can't believe the NFL don't provide and control the football via the officials instead of depending on individual teams and leaving a possibility of something like this happening. What's the matter NFL? Can't afford it? Take it out of a team's control, control it via league office and nothing like this can never happen.
in0gravity Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Can't believe the NFL don't provide and control the football via the officials instead of depending on individual teams and leaving a possibility of something like this happening. What's the matter NFL? Can't afford it? Take it out of a team's control, control it via league office and nothing like this can never happen. The NFL are inspecting the balls. See below part of an ESPN article: League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.
Baldy Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 The NFL are inspecting the balls. See below part of an ESPN article: League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team. But why return it to the teams? Inspecting the balls is different than taking ownership. How expensive is it to have a cooler on the sidelines filled with balls? It's not like there's not enough league officials standing around the sidelines doing nothing. This have got to be embarassing and a distraction for the league. We should be talking about the Superbowl not about ball PSI. Eliminate something like this from ever happening.
Fosgate Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I would like to just say something about Bill Belichick. He is a master at devising systems and game plans to make the best use of his players talents and to attack your weaknesses. Unfortunately he won't be remembered as a great tactician or for his amazing leadership. He will be remembered as a cheat. We are all tempted in various areas of our lives to cross that line and cheat. It appears that Bill got caught again, but even if he hadn't he would know, and his team would know that they had cheated. Ethics exist in every business and the Patriots appear to be missing them. They have talent, and could win without cheating, but they seem to be unable to resist the temptation. What do the Patriots do other then cheat? They disappoint those of us who played the game the right way. Now if the NFL were serious about cheating they would have found out the day it was revealed what happened, tell the Pats they forfeit the last win and the Colts advance, loss of two draft picks and move on. They won't and we should not be surprised to see lack of ethical practices in the league. In business school they teach in Organizational Behavior and Ethics that ethical behavior is a trickle down effect and a result of both the behavior of management and how the business rewards behavior. So where does this stop? With the Patriots organization or the league? I personally think it's the league if you look at all the ethics controversy of late across the NFL.
mash Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 No way anything is happening to the Pats. Roger Goodell and the owner of the Pats, Bob Kraft, are good friends. Vegas would go crazy. And most importantly, ticket sales and viewership would plummett. This is the game people want to see. The NFL completely values ethics, but less completely than it values money.
Fosgate Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Every business exists to make money and it is it's number one priority. But there also has to be a certain amount of ethics involved. Players sign contracts that obligate them to uphold a public image to a team and the NFL yet you can still beat your wife and kid and receive little more than empty discipline threats from the NFL and still play come Sunday.
JohnS Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 It's a shame because this deflate-gate business is all so unnecessary. The best teams statistically made the Superbowl. It just shows the lengths undertaken to protected vested interests, something we see in all walks of life.
JohnS Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 One week out and I can't help but feel that momentum is vital in these big games and we saw that last week in both games, albeit in vastly contrasting ways. I feel that after Seattle came back from 16-0 down to win that they have the type of momentum which inspired Joe Namath to say once, "We’re going to win Sunday. I guarantee it" or similarly in 1969, watching the Miracle Mets take down the Orioles. Admittingly, the Patriots are not overwhelming favourites like these teams mentioned above in these iconic 1969 contests, but that game against Green Bay was there to lose and the Seahawks found a way to win. In professional sport teams that collectively overcome advertisity and persevere tend to truimph.
Fosgate Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 This is an interesting article I came across. Sure maybe it would not have helped the Colts. I think we need to ask, if someone else should have been playing against the colts? We can hum and haw about predictions based on opinion but those that like to make calculated decisions based on science, mathmatics and stats may like these facts. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html?wpsrc=fol_fb Oh, and SNL cashes in with a skit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGRyTGUbv4#t=313
wabashcr Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 This is an interesting article I came across. Sure maybe it would not have helped the Colts. I think we need to ask, if someone else should have been playing against the colts? We can hum and haw about predictions based on opinion but those that like to make calculated decisions based on science, mathmatics and stats may like these facts. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html?wpsrc=fol_fb Interesting. There's clearly something going on in New England. Numbers alone don't prove anything sinister, of course. As a Colts fan, I admire Belichick and his willingness to push the envelope. Sometimes they cross the line. But their relentless pursuit for a competitive advantage is the reason they've managed to remain at the top of a league defined by parity and revenue sharing for 15 years. They take risks no other teams are willing to take, and they almost always pay off. It's almost like they're playing a different game than everyone else, although sometimes that game takes on differing rules. Even though I despise the Patriots and everyone associated with them, their results would seem to dictate that the ends have very much justified the means.
kennykong Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Cialis commercial- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0
Peacock Posted January 30, 2015 Author Posted January 30, 2015 Now that the media circus is over time to talk SuperBowl. At last check, Vegas has the Pat's as 2 point favorites. The last time the Seahawks were underdogs was last years SuperBowl...they seem to be OK as underdogs. Seahawks 27 Patriots 24
wabashcr Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Should be a fascinating matchup. Think the Seattle defense and run game will be just a little bit better, and they win by a touchdown in a lower scoring game. 20-13. 1
Fosgate Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Jimmy Kimmel came out with a great skit last night.
ha1fway Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 This is an interesting article I came across. It's interesting depending on your bias, there's always more than one side to a story http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710
Colt45 Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 embrace the hate - they hate us 'cuz they ain't us. FTW - Go Pats........
Peacock Posted January 30, 2015 Author Posted January 30, 2015 Interesting thing about statistics. Depending how they are presented (read "skewed") ... the same group of stats can be used to prove both sides of a story. 1
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