GodofFire Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Being new to CC and getting my feet wet ordering a few boxes from the Prez I am looking to switch over to bulk beads but not sure where to start with how much to use in my humidors. Currently I just have individual humidors for holding singles nothing in place for box storage yet. So I am hoping you guys can help me on how much to start in each of my humidors. I have a 300 stick 2 level humidor. 150 stick 2 level dome 100 stick just 1 level How much should I use in each. Also I see they sell a bigger mesh bag for holding 1lb but I want to find a few smaller ones so that I can put some beads in both levels. Where could I look to find smaller mesh bags. Thanks in advance for any and all help. Mike
MrGTO Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Here is a calculator for beads and everything else you need. http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/calculator.asp
Rye Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Mesh bags are readily available at dollar stores and craft stores. A source for beads depends on what country you are in
Fuzz AI Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 Mesh bags are readily available at dollar stores and craft stores. A source for beads depends on what country you are in Just pinch your wife's or girlfriend's pantyhose/stockings... preferably ones that are clean. 1
Knilas Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 This^^ They work great...and you can buy your own at the dollar store.
CigarEnthusiast Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 If you can't find any mesh bags I use these in my humidor. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XIBKB8/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Also if you haven't considered it, may you should look into Kitty Litter. It saves you money, so you can get more sticks.
MrGTO Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I'll stick w my heartfelt 65%rh beads. I misted them put them in my coolidor and haven't thought about them since. 2 hygrometers both are reading rock solid 65% every time I get a smoke out. Plus they were like $30 for a lb. cheap IMHO for this hobby. I don't claim to know anything about kitty litter and I really don't want to. I have used beads since I stared and they just work so I'm good w that. 2
CigarEnthusiast Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 I'll stick w my heartfelt 65%rh beads. I misted them put them in my coolidor and haven't thought about them since. 2 hygrometers both are reading rock solid 65% every time I get a smoke out. Plus they were like $30 for a lb. cheap IMHO for this hobby. I don't claim to know anything about kitty litter and I really don't want to. I have used beads since I stared and they just work so I'm good w that. KL is made of the same material as beads. The only downside is that more KL is needed per same amount of volume, but you can get 5 lb of it for only 10-15 dollars. If you think HFB are cheap, then please send me some over.
Skyfall Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 KL is made of the same material as beads. The only downside is that more KL is needed per same amount of volume, but you can get 5 lb of it for only 10-15 dollars. If you think HFB are cheap, then please send me some over. I don't think that Heartfelt Beads and Kitty litter are made from the same material or even designed the same. Dave from Heartfelt has been know to come on the boards, maybe he can clarify, but I know I've had several conversations with him about this subject.
MrGTO Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 It rains money here! I can't believe you didn't know that?
Popular Post Maplepie Posted July 23, 2014 Popular Post Posted July 23, 2014 Dave from Heartfelt has been know to come on the boards, maybe he can clarify, but I know I've had several conversations with him about this subject. No need! i'm here! Heartfelt beads are engineered Silica. Silica being Silicon Dioxide. Silica is so entropic (randomly ordered) that it's hard to gauge the humidity percentile when it's readily made. So that's the job of engineering. It organises the molecules (reducing entropy) so that it can orientate themselves towards a specific humidity. I've sent a few journal articles to pigfish for peerreview on this. I won't bore the lot of you with the details, but that's essentially how the Silicon Dioxide works in Heartfelt Beads. (message me if you want any peer review articles or further science lectures on this. Chemist my nature and my first priority is to educate) Kitty Litter is a cheaper version of NOT ONLY Heartfelt. But of Silica. It is the naturally occuring dusty stuff: Calcium Silicate. This is a calcium salt of silicon dioxide that absorbs moisture. However (and rather unfortunately), it does not give off moisture as easily as Silica. This makes adjusting humidity levels using kitty litter difficult. But it also makes it cheaper. One can technically acidify kitty litter and torch it to produce entropic silica. But it's not worth it (i tried using hydrogen chloride. Chlorination held too strongly in the pores. Sulphuric isn't worth the money for me. Not trying when Heartfelt beads are cheaper). 5
Maplepie Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 It's a horrible debate to get into anyway. Not a debate. One can't argue with inorganic chemistry facts
n2advnture Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Heartfelt beads are engineered Silica. Silica being Silicon Dioxide. Silica is so entropic (randomly ordered) that it's hard to gauge the humidity percentile when it's readily made. So that's the job of engineering. It organises the molecules (reducing entropy) so that it can orientate themselves towards a specific humidity. I've sent a few journal articles to pigfish for peerreview on this. I won't bore the lot of you with the details, but that's essentially how the Silicon Dioxide works in Heartfelt Beads. (message me if you want any peer review articles or further science lectures on this. Chemist my nature and my first priority is to educate) Kitty Litter is a cheaper version of NOT ONLY Heartfelt. But of Silica. It is the naturally occuring dusty stuff: Calcium Silicate. This is a calcium salt of silicon dioxide that absorbs moisture. However (and rather unfortunately), it does not give off moisture as easily as Silica. This makes adjusting humidity levels using kitty litter difficult. But it also makes it cheaper. One can technically acidify kitty litter and torch it to produce entropic silica. But it's not worth it (i tried using hydrogen chloride. Chlorination held too strongly in the pores. Sulphuric isn't worth the money for me. Not trying when Heartfelt beads are cheaper). Well done. There is one key component that differentiates quality humidity beads from others and that is a chemical compound that gives them their superior hygroscopic ability. I hope this helps Mark 2
n2advnture Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Forgot to mention that it's proprietary which is why others don't match the performance
Smalls Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I use double the amount of beads needed for my cooler. I have never seen them get the cooler to 65% on my calibrated hygrometers. Not really a problem for me because it usually holds between 60-63% which is how I like it. It also seems like I have to add water more often than others. The temperature is consistently right around 68 degrees F. Definitely not complaining... Just sharing my experience. My cigars smoke great most of the time.
Maplepie Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 There is one key component that differentiates quality humidity beads from others i guess i'm going to have to NMR it to figure out what that is, eh?
n2advnture Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I can't remember or I would have mentioned it. I think LiCl
Maplepie Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I can't remember or I would have mentioned it. I think LiCl aaaah, thought it was a trade secret. Lithium Chloride wouldn't make too much sense. it would absorb the ammonia and nitrosamines. popular in our labs for that reason (and pretty cheap, too). maybe magnesium sulphate? another common (more stable) dessicant. Or maybe the absorption of ammonia would actually be better?
sw15825 Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Heartfelt has different sized tubes and pucks of beads in 60, 65, and 70% levels are great for desktops or smaller spaces. I use 60% in a humi and 65% in half pound bags in my sea chests for box storage. Really works well for me cause 8 months out of the year I need to remove moisture from the environments. There are other sellers of these also so it's just what worked for me.
AndrewNR Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 I'm still struggling with my wine cooler and beads, Got a 36 count vintec or whatever it is and some 65% beads (pound) and humidity seems to hover in the mid to high 70 range while my heartfelt beads are moist and another brand of beads i have are bone dry.. Can't figure it out. I think im cursed.
GodofFire Posted July 25, 2014 Author Posted July 25, 2014 Thanks for all the info. Going to place my order soon.
Laxman Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I use three pounds in my 28 count winedors and for the most part they have worked great the last 5 years. The times I sprayed them down and all the beads were clear is when it was a problem. Now I just spray a little bit and they work great.
Dozerhead Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I use the 65% heartfelt beads in my tupperdor and humi's and they have kept them stable for years without a glitch. Worth the extra money compared to kitty litter, imho. Especially when you factor how much we spend on the cigars that they are helping to maintain.
StingMeadery Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I use the HCM beads which come in convenient canisters in all sizes. They are made from some form of clay and adjust humidity either absorbing or releasing moisture to maintain RH. My humi is sitting rock solid at 65RH Highly recommended ! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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