Philprop Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 So was in what I guess you can call the local B & M this evening, and I noticed some different cigars there from the usual stock, there was about 7 Rafael Gonzales Panetelas there with some age on them. Took a peak at the date and it said Oct 07(didn't pay attention to the code, just the date). Now they were all pretty dried out and really hard. Is there any chance at saving em? They're not priced too horribly at $7 a stick so I was thinking about picking them up. Not often I see anything with that much age if any age at all in the shops around here. If they can be restored with some rest in proper humidity then I might go get me and see how they are. On another note they did have a box of RyJ Romeo 2 in tubes with a date of( don't remember the month)12. I had to dig through the box to find a couple that didn't have white mold all over them but did find some so I picked up a couple. I've had these before and really liked them.
Profmd Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 The problem with trying to bring them back from the dead is if they are as dry as you've stated, most of the oils have dried up also. Lots of people on the forum have talked about it at lenth before, do a search and you'll more than likely find addition info on the process to help you out.
Bclass1 Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 IMO I would pass on the box of RG.. You have no idea how poorly they were stored prior to seeing them. If they are hard now, they might have lost some flavor notes. If he lets you buy some singles, maybe it's worth a try.
Smallclub Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 The RG panatela was discontinued in 2006. Then your cigars are panatelas extra, a cheap short filler cigar, which is usually good, but at $7 and dried up, I would pass without regrets…
shlomo Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Doesn't hurt much to buy one and smoke to see. Would be surprised if good at all...
Philprop Posted February 7, 2014 Author Posted February 7, 2014 The problem with trying to bring them back from the dead is if they are as dry as you've stated, most of the oils have dried up also. Lots of people on the forum have talked about it at lenth before, do a search and you'll more than likely find addition info on the process to help you out. I didn't do a search as I was looking for info on that particular cigar, whether it was worth it or not. Was it a good cigar back then. And there were only about 7 singles left so that's all I would buy. I may take Shlomos advice and buy one and see what happens in a few months. They also had some Fonseca Cosacos there, I had never hears on them and they all seemed to be in decent shape, any advice on these?
Maplepie Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 with the dryness, you risk black tar formation. shame for a nice stick like that. but then again, for under a tenner each i agree with taking one or two and trying it out...... what can go wrong? toss it in the bottom of the humidor for a year or two and see what develops. of course, quarentine it first so it doesn't crack up even more! also, white mould (small spottiness) on ryj tubos are normal. all my tubed ryj churchills came with a tad of puffy white mould that i just brushed off and popped back in the tubos for a 2-3 year sleep. and finally, depends on the price for those fonescas. at canada price, i figure there're better things to buy. but then again, you will never feel bad about chucking these out half smoked
Philprop Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 Thanks for the advice Maplepie, but why should I quarentine them first? Do you mean just gradually bring up the humidity with them before tossing the in the humi? Also I know then puffy white mold isn't really harmful, just looked through them to see if any didn't have it on them, then I don't have to bother wiping it off. Yes I'm that lazy, hahaha.
Maplepie Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Thanks for the advice Maplepie, but why should I quarentine them first? Do you mean just gradually bring up the humidity with them before tossing the in the humi? if they are dessicated, they can even even take the humidity out of nearby sticks and wood by creating a humidity black hole. but i really doubt that'll happen. precautions are really key though. second reason is what you just said: bring it up relatively. i don't know your humidor setting so i just have to guess it's at 70. 70 might be enough to pop it so better safe than sorry i'd wipe it off if i were you. but then again, i'm me. if stored for a bit, i'm pretty sure those ryj2s will develop some mould in a month or so anyways. really, who's to say the man didn't just dust it off 2 minutes before you walked into the B&M? but as you said: isn't really harmful
CdnLimitada Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Sounds like you may just want to buy from a better source if they are either dried out or moldy... You may not have much choice for a B & M but I'm sure Rob will look after you
Maplepie Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Sounds like you may just want to buy from a better source if they are either dried out or moldy... don't think he's actively seeking out slenderellas. i'm guessing he just saw them in there one day, realised the age, and thought: i'll ask the forum because it's a nice convenience. correct me if i'm wrong though. are you actively searching out those rgs, phil?
Philprop Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 No I wasn't actively seeking the RGs, I was actively seeking the RyJs though. The B&Ms here ardently really B&Ms, just little shops in the grocery stores that sell tobacco and lottery tickets. The clerks there are just your run of the mll grocery store clerks with no experience in cigars whatsoever. They're just there to unlock to cabinet doors so a customer can pick what they want and then take their money. But I know they have a couple things all the time like those RyJs but every now and then they'll have something different, like those RGs. I was just really shocked to see something from 07 there and wish they were kept in better conditions. Maplepie, I understand what youre saying about the precautions, I'm actually keeping my humi at 62% humidity at the moment. CdnLimitada, I definitly need better sources, that's why I'm here, everyone here has been extremely helpful and and actually planning an order saw we speak, looking to do a couple of experiments just for fun and I'll be sending Rob an email looking for a little assistance very shortly.
Bclass1 Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 No I wasn't actively seeking the RGs, I was actively seeking the RyJs though. The B&Ms here ardently really B&Ms, just little shops in the grocery stores that sell tobacco and lottery tickets. The clerks there are just your run of the mll grocery store clerks with no experience in cigars whatsoever. They're just there to unlock to cabinet doors so a customer can pick what they want and then take their money. But I know they have a couple things all the time like those RyJs but every now and then they'll have something different, like those RGs. I was just really shocked to see something from 07 there and wish they were kept in better conditions. The quality of cigars at that "B&M", based from the information you have shared, seems to be extremely suspect to me. I'm not referring to the authenticity, but more of the fact that if the employee's of the store have no real knowledge of cigars, that means there maintenance has probably been poor as well. As for the RG's.. Buy one, let it rest, then try it.. (as most everyone has said) The real purpose from my response: Tank that place from now on. You're in good hands here with this community and with Rob and his team. If you also do a little research and some investigation, there are other reputable vendors out there that supply exceptional quality cigars. Make no mistake though, Czar is where it's at for most of my purchases now. Quality has been exceptional. Goodluck.
Philprop Posted February 8, 2014 Author Posted February 8, 2014 The quality of cigars at that "B&M", based from the information you have shared, seems to be extremely suspect to me. I'm not referring to the authenticity, but more of the fact that if the employee's of the store have no real knowledge of cigars, that means there maintenance has probably been poor as well. As for the RG's.. Buy one, let it rest, then try it.. (as most everyone has said) The real purpose from my response: Tank that place from now on. You're in good hands here with this community and with Rob and his team. If you also do a little research and some investigation, there are other reputable vendors out there that supply exceptional quality cigars. Make no mistake though, Czar is where it's at for most of my purchases now. Quality has been exceptional. Goodluck. Oh that place is without a doubt terrible, but it's all I have here and they only carry about 10 different cigars, 3 or 4 are Cubans, the rest are NC, namely CAO and Don Thomas and some swishes and other flavoured one that are kept in another humidor besides the others. I've done a few purchases here and will be making my next one here. I really like it here and will most likely only use Rob and the team here. I'm May do a little looking around and see what other vendors are out there but when you get such good service here why leave? Now that I have removed my lips from El Prez's behind, I'll probably go back and grab a RG and see how it goes after 6 months or so in my humi and I'll be letting those RyJ 2s sit a while and acclimate them to the way I like em. Thanks for all the help folks!!
Maplepie Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 phil, you're a newfie eh? i know a few good phischin' hoes for us canucks... expect a PM
PapaDisco Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Maplepie, I understand what youre saying about the precautions, I'm actually keeping my humi at 62% humidity at the moment. I've bought a lot of boxes at Duty Free in Hong Kong and between their poor humidifying and the plane rode (even plastic bagged) the cigars would arrive home on the dry side. When I kept my humi at 72rH I'd get one or two cracking their wrappers, but now with the humi at 62-65, it never happens. Plastic wrap will also slow vapor transmission by about 7x, so you can put them in a ziplock for their first week in the humi and bring things up even slower.
PigFish Posted February 9, 2014 Posted February 9, 2014 Cigars are always a risk. You don't know until you smoke one. Why not take some risk and ask the proprietor to take some with you? Is the art of the negotiation lost? Take the box to the owner. Show him your concerns… Tell him they are worth the risk for XX (monetary units). Last I checked 7x7 was $49.00. What number makes them worth the risk? Say you will buy them all for $25… You won't know until you ask! Perhaps the owner might want recapture the shelf space and sell something with more profit potential. Shelf space is worth money… Make a joke out of it. If he does not want to sell them today… let him/her know you got the time!!! Come back in 2 weeks and say, "see you still got those 7 RG's, I have $20.00 in my pocket for them if you want to trade!" When he says what happened to $25, say if 25 is the number you gotta' deal! Best of luck on the deal! -Piggy
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