backslide Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 wow?? i'd concede not all are great but harsh. some brilliant cohibas over the years. can i ask, have you smoked a lot of cohibas or is it a small sample base? and i'd suggest, don't give up. I've sampled a far amount of them. A few hundred siglo I and II (like the size) a few boxes of CoRo, CoLa, and Siglo III. For the cost I expect them to be much better than they are. I reach for QdO, HdM, RA, Upmann much more than cohiba. As for super premium's I enjoy the flavor profile of Trinidad much more.
ramon_cojones Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Ray, the reason you see no mention is because not a lot of people talk about them. It's a function of how much exposure people have had and rated them high in order for others to chime in saying they are overrated.
PigFish Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Ray, the reason you see no mention is because not a lot of people talk about them. It's a function of how much exposure people have had and rated them high in order for others to chime in saying they are overrated. Mate!!! You are right on the money, or at least half right! Overrated, while it can appear to mean many things to many people is a function of press, talk, conversion, hype, but mostly dissatisfaction! While I am not going to go off on what it means to me, it would appear that it correlates hype to performance! Or perhaps just opinion and performance, but you cannot disregard performance! So in a nutshell, you have aimed on 1/2 half of the equation. You are right about that. Even in these circles there has always been a minority, mostly nags like me waiting for my ticket to the glue factory to be punched, to bring up the underrated and higher performing cigars. There is a performance component as well. You cannot simply neglect this half. Perhaps in this current wave of presumably newer cigar smokers, you are right. But for those of us who have smoke cigars for decades, there has been no lack of conversation about these cigars. What has been left out is the en masse complaints about them! That would comprise the gist of my argument. Good point, my friend! Cheers. -Piggy
LGC Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Mate!!! You are right on the money, or at least half right! Overrated, while it can appear to mean many things to many people is a function of press, talk, conversion, hype, but mostly dissatisfaction! While I am not going to go off on what it means to me, it would appear that it correlates hype to performance! Or perhaps just opinion and performance, but you cannot disregard performance! So in a nutshell, you have aimed on 1/2 half of the equation. You are right about that. Even in these circles there has always been a minority, mostly nags like me waiting for my ticket to the glue factory to be punched, to bring up the underrated and higher performing cigars. There is a performance component as well. You cannot simply neglect this half. Perhaps in this current wave of presumably newer cigar smokers, you are right. But for those of us who have smoke cigars for decades, there has been no lack of conversation about these cigars. What has been left out is the en masse complaints about them! That would comprise the gist of my argument. Good point, my friend! Cheers. -Piggy Times have changed for the worse Ray... and there's no going back. It's safe to say that at least 50% of the cigars I own and love are no longer produced. Why is that???? It's because most of my stock consists of 42 ring gauge cigars and smaller. I can honestly say my interest in trying new cigars has dwindled. I'm just happy to have what I have. I think my cigar money (if I have any) will be redirected towards my future children and other hobbies. I'm just not motivated to spend 500 bucks on a normal ring gauge cigar that is only available as an RE... when it used to be available as a regular production cigar for 150-200 bucks.
Scdalak Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Recently the Cohiba PE has been a colossal disappointment. ESpecially after all the good feedback here. Local buddy of mine split a box and smoked one ROTT together. At $30 a stick I can only pray they improve next year when I try again.
cigcars Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 . THAT'S a whopper, It Is the worst cigar I've ever had, It's a REAL N.C..I don't know where they get their info from, May-be Norther Europe.But, It's for me, a Billy Goat statement , at least. . THAT'S a whopper, It Is the worst cigar I've ever had, It's a REAL N.C..I don't know where they get their info from, May-be Norther Europe.But, It's for me, a Billy Goat statement , at least. Wow! Okay, Guy. The one I tried really impressed me. Also, I'll have to dig out my issues of Cigar Journal and re-check that. I'm pretty certain it was listed as No.1 in one of those years. C'est le gere`
PaulP Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Wow! Okay, Guy. The one I tried really impressed me. Also, I'll have to dig out my issues of Cigar Journal and re-check that. I'm pretty certain it was listed as No.1 in one of those years. C'est le gere` Or you could check their website http://www.cigarjournal.co/index.php/us/cigars/awarded-cigars
PigFish Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Times have changed for the worse Ray... and there's no going back. It's safe to say that at least 50% of the cigars I own and love are no longer produced. Why is that???? It's because most of my stock consists of 42 ring gauge cigars and smaller. I can honestly say my interest in trying new cigars has dwindled. I'm just happy to have what I have. I think my cigar money (if I have any) will be redirected towards my future children and other hobbies. I'm just not motivated to spend 500 bucks on a normal ring gauge cigar that is only available as an RE... when it used to be available as a regular production cigar for 150-200 bucks. Yes, old friend you are right about this. Your emotions on the desire to acquire new cigars parallels mine as well. I have since retired from tying to open peoples minds to different cigars. While I have beaten this drum for a decade, it was and is, a little too late to have any effect on the cigars that I wanted to save. I have no regret, however. I can name dozens of people who have thanked me for sharing or exposing them to an unpopular cigar. I think I have helped enrich the smoking experiences of many persons by talking up the connoisseur vitolas and by sharing my experiences with those vary same "underrated" cigars. Cheers! -R
PigFish Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 You think that "most, if not all Cohibas are overrated" and yet it looks as though you've purchased 20+ boxes of them. Not trying to nitpick but just wondering why you would spend thousands of $$ for cigars you think are overrated? If I might... Overrated is a value statement, not a definite condemnation of the cigar itself. I generally don't pursue what I consider overrated cigars but that is just one man's opinion. There are lots of cigars, such as the entire Monte line that I generalize as overrated but it does not keep me from smoking a few Monte's now and again. Then there is the Monte Esp, 1 and 2. They brake my generalizing judgement to such a degree, I consider them underrated! On the other hand, a man (or woman) who has exposed himself to so many cigars, certainly knows his own mind and tastes and justifies his opinion with experience and sample size! I would tend to treat with proportional weight those opinions, not that any are invalid, of those who have smoked many cigars over many years over those of lesser experienced smokers. Cheers!
backslide Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 You think that "most, if not all Cohibas are overrated" and yet it looks as though you've purchased 20+ boxes of them. Not trying to nitpick but just wondering why you would spend thousands of $$ for cigars you think are overrated? In a year or two yeah it would sound sorta off. I'm counting all purchases in the last 12 years that I've been smoking CC's just thinking of how many boxes of RASCC's I've purchased truly makes my head spin haha. I do enjoy cohiba's, but stand by my assessment that they're over rated. 4 boxes of RASCC for one box of cola's hummmm. Easy choice for me to make.
backslide Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Guess it's just me but I wouldn't throw $4k-$5k + on cigars I thought were overrated (by any definition), no matter how long I've been smoking. I probably would have stopped after a few boxes. Using your 4-5k number might sound like a lot to you, but it might not be that much for others. Just saying.
Laxman Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Mag 46's for me. Hear a lot of people talking them up and out of the few boxes I have had I was not impressed. Hopefully a few more years of age will change my opinion.
Dozerhead Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Mag 46's for me. Hear a lot of people talking them up and out of the few boxes I have had I was not impressed. Hopefully a few more years of age will change my opinion. That is the beauty with Habanos, sometimes a little age can make all the difference in the world and potentially turn an overrated cigar into something special.
ogus Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Wow majority says Monte 2 is overrated. I am with El Pres that it is the number one cigar. Best I have had thus far. Please start an underrated thread so I may find a cigar to try that's better.
mjj100025552775 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Most if not all Cohiba's haha to me "cohiba" is magic word!
Dozerhead Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Wow majority says Monte 2 is overrated. I am with El Pres that it is the number one cigar. Best I have had thus far. Please start an underrated thread so I may find a cigar to try that's better. True, but he's also stated many times that since it is mass produced, there tends to be a lot of inconsistency with that cigar and that you should never buy this cigar blind. His comments regarding various cigars during an LFTW/LFTH can be telling at times.
BonVivant Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 All Edicion ILLIMITADAS - limited editions produced in unlimited quantities
nikesupremedunk Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I just realized I find the HURR pretty overrated. I had 2-3 sticks so far none which wow'ed me much, but it's probably just me since a lot of people seem to swear by them. But I have some on hand just in case they grow on my palate in the future which has happened with a few smokes.
Yipdar Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I just realized I find the HURR pretty overrated. I had 2-3 sticks so far none which wow'ed me much, but it's probably just me since a lot of people seem to swear by them. But I have some on hand just in case they grow on my palate in the future which has happened with a few smokes. I'd agree with this. I've had 4 from a box and none have been good. They've all been ok but just not getting the same feeling as others have posted about this one
Styler Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I'll say Monty 2 as well, it's probably my least favourite standard production piramides. I agree with PigFish in that the Monty line in general is overrated apart from the Especials. I'm not sure how much can be blamed on over production, at the end of the day people still buy plenty of them.
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