El Presidente Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Navy Bans Tobacco Use on Its Submarine Fleet By THOM SHANKER New York Times Published: June 20, 2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/us/21smoking.html WASHINGTON — The smoking lamp is going out all across the Navy’s submarine fleet, where the mission to “run silent, run deep” now will be carried out by sailors ordered to run undersea operations without cigarettes, cigars or pipes. Related This is the latest front in the long war against tobacco declared by the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs. Their programs to help military personnel kick the smoking habit are intended to protect the health of the current force — and to save the government hundreds of millions of dollars a year in health care costs for those who have served, and smoked, in uniform. The Navy is cognizant that military service is stressful, especially in long and lonely deployments under the sea. Everybody is aware that smoking is a legal, if harmful, stress reliever. So the Navy banned smoking aboard submarines not with the stated purpose of curing the smokers, but of protecting nonsmoking submarine crew members from the threat of heart and lung disease from secondhand smoke. “Recent testing has proven that, despite our atmosphere purification technology, there are unacceptable levels of secondhand smoke in the atmosphere of a submerged submarine,” said Vice Adm. John J. Donnelly, commander of submarine forces. “The only way to eliminate risk to our nonsmoking sailors is to stop smoking aboard our submarines.” The Navy did not order its submariners to quit cold turkey. For the 5,000 sailors who admitted to being smokers among the submarine fleet’s 13,000 crew members — that is just shy of 40 percent — the ban goes into effect at the end of the year. In the meantime, a senior petty officer aboard each hunter-killer submarine and each nuclear ballistic missile boat will serve as a “smoking cessation coordinator,” helping sailors wean themselves off the habit through discipline — and a ready supply of nicotine gum, nicotine patches and other replacement therapies. There are no plans to impose a “smokeless Navy.” Aboard surface warships, smoking is allowed in specially designated — and open — areas. Across the Navy, those who wish to quit smoking can attend classroom programs. And in many Navy and Marine Corps locations, those wishing to quit can receive help from physicians, dentists and pharmacists during a health care visit. About one-third of all military personnel say they are smokers. While smoking is banned in basic training, more than a third of the current smokers across the armed services say they started after they went on active duty. The military and cigarettes have a long history, in both combat practice and combat lore. When America went to war in the past, tobacco went with them and cigarettes were part of military rations. But they are no longer contained in the Meals Ready to Eat field food packages, as the Defense Department does not want to officially encourage smoking. Now that legacy is seen only in the water-resistant matches placed in combat rations and officially defended as a survival tool. (But has anybody in Iraq had to build a campfire lately?) While supporting efforts to help the troops cut back on smoking, senior Pentagon officials rebuffed proposals to ban tobacco use in the combat zone, having assessed that personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan had enough pressure to deal with already. Even as the Pentagon tries to quash cigarette smoking, the lore remains. The superstition about bringing down bad luck if you are “third on a match” has roots stretching to World War I, when soldiers came to believe that you could light two cigarettes off one match without being spotted, but that lighting up the third cigarette gave enemy snipers ample time to ready, aim and fire. Even more archaic is the maritime term “smoking lamp.” According to a Navy history Web site, this phrase dates to the 16th century, when a lamp was stoked near the ship’s galley to draw tobacco users away from where gunpowder was stored. The term has survived as a nautical figure of speech. “The smoking lamp is lit” designates those times and places for smoking; but when a skipper says, “The smoking lamp is out,” it means crush out your cigarettes now. A ban on smoking is not the only change in life and culture charted for the submarine force. The Pentagon is lifting a decades-old ban on women serving aboard submarines, which will be phased in as the undersea vessels are retrofitted over coming years for coed life and work by 2012. Women went to sea aboard surface warships in 1993.
mkz Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Looks as though there'll be a lot of grumpy sailors (40%) at the end of the year! Funny how submarine shape reminds me of cigars! Grumpy sailors and ICBMs: Not a good combination!
shrink Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 That's not very patriotic. First they outlaw grog, now tobacco. What's next... fireworks?
Trevor2118 Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 That's not very patriotic. First they outlaw grog, now tobacco. What's next... fireworks? I can see it now. Attention. Quit smoking by numbers.......one...........two........
Onsto Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Smoking is generally regarded as an answer to the massive boredom experienced by military men between periods of intense activity. The fact that the percentage of forces smokers is so much higher than on civvy street is testament to that. Anyone want to see what happens when 300 men start a mass brawl at a depth of 3000 ft? I certainly don't, but I will bet that the results are audible with sonar!
bunburyist Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 Life so far has taught me a few things, one of which is that some people are just tossers. If the lads want to smoke, let them, ffs.
dicko Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 let them smoke! if it is a safety issue, or a secondhand smoke issues, let them have snus!
Fuzz Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 We can always bring back the traditions from the good old days of loose morals where army camp followers used to provide "relaxtion" for the stressed out or bored soldier. I can just imagine it.... a boomer sub being tailled by a bordello sub!
dcse Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I must say I have some sympathy with the smoking ban. Having visited submarines from several nations, the major impression is cramped quarters and very low air quality after being submerged for weeks at a time.
samb Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I think its a pretty ridiculous thing for them to do. As the article states, smoking is a part of military history and many current personnel still smoke. I think its a breach of individual rights, but its the same ol argument with any anti smoking movement.
ChanceSchmerr Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I can say as a Canadian Navy Officer that Smoking on Canadian Subs is already banned (while submerged). While on the surface you can smoke in the open air. That said, no one really notices as we only have 1 operating Sub in our fleet right now It appears I missed the 'good old days' of smoking on ships where a haze of smoke filled the entire interior of a Canadian Frigate by about 5-6 years. I guess movies like Crimson Tide are now even more of a classic - no more crusty old Captains like Gene Hackman filling his ship with cigar smoke. It's a BS rule....but not a shock considering the anti-smoking movement.
gmoney Posted June 21, 2010 Posted June 21, 2010 I can say as a Canadian Navy Officer that Smoking on Canadian Subs is already banned (while submerged). While on the surface you can smoke in the open air. That said, no one really notices as we only have 1 operating Sub in our fleet right now It appears I missed the 'good old days' of smoking on ships where a haze of smoke filled the entire interior of a Canadian Frigate by about 5-6 years.I guess movies like Crimson Tide are now even more of a classic - no more crusty old Captains like Gene Hackman filling his ship with cigar smoke. It's a BS rule....but not a shock considering the anti-smoking movement. Canada has a Navy???? When did that happen??? Just teasing my friend...We certainly love our friends from the North.
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