Yet another scene of violence...

[frenchkiwi]

Re gun control laws. I think the whole purpose of it is so hooligans like these don't get their hands on guns too.

I don't think having a gun in your house is going to make any difference if this mob is also armed.

That's why the controls exist.

Just what i was going to say. Bring guns into the equation and the likelihood of people dying goes up - including you. Drunk teens don't respond to threats in the whole "rational" deterrence kind of way - they'd prob just want to test and find out if you were game enough to use it on them.

[SethG]

Just what i was going to say. Bring guns into the equation and the likelihood of people dying goes up - including you. Drunk teens don't respond to threats in the whole "rational" deterrence kind of way - they'd prob just want to test and find out if you were game enough to use it on them.

That's the whole point, you shoot at them, they shoot back, you're in an elevated and secured position, kill as many as possible and around the next 10 years they are all too dead to hassle anyone. The US has more guns than citizens and guess what, the mob is never armed.

This is honestly the most surreal story I've ever heard. The only place this kind've stuff happens in the US is in New York and Oakland and LA. To hear it on a regular basis there, WTF?

Where are the police in all this? I mean, is it that different over there? Once you make the call isn't it around 3 minutes until 5+ cop cars show up?

[dicko]

This is honestly the most surreal story I've ever heard. The only place this kind've stuff happens in the US is in New York and Oakland and LA. To hear it on a regular basis there, WTF?

Where are the police in all this? I mean, is it that different over there? Once you make the call isn't it around 3 minutes until 5+ cop cars show up?

No way mate! My brother had a party at my place, got out of hand with gatecrashers, couple of hours later and several phone calls and you get one paddy wagon roll past.

Not necessarily there fault either, just not enough of them to keep up with demand. Being a copper rates pretty low on the employment scale here (and I don't think it should btw)...get paid 60k to deal with dangerous people all day or get paid 120k + to work on the mines.

[El Presidente]

And the police also said its happening everywhere more and more regularly. No matter the area.

They are lying Smooth. Merls, I , Shagga, Graeme, PJ, Matty, Greg, Mick, Steve, Artie, Lachlan, Ted, Ralph, Dino, to name a few have all lived here all our lives and we have never seen it or seen it once but never in our backyards and we are spread all over the city. To have seen it 4 times is beyond the pale. Move mate.

[Kangaroo495]

What the cops need to do is set up a Facebook spy or Twitter spy. I doubt such a large group of people can organize to meet simply by using sms.

You get the names of one or two of the kids, add them on Facebook (using the identity of a cute girl) and when you see they've organized something - be at the scene before they get there.

[dicko]

What the cops need to do is set up a Facebook spy or Twitter spy. I doubt such a large group of people can organize to meet simply by using sms.

You get the names of one or two of the kids, add them on Facebook (using the identity of a cute girl) and when you see they've organized something - be at the scene before they get there.

Kanga you are a thinking man! now that would be proactive policing, would they do it? not a chance...

[chuck1rar]

IMHO Australia does not need to make the same mistakes as the US has made by allowing in more arms than people.

The basic problem is the Government and community has become too soft. (being a democratic society sometimes has its drawbacks)

If the police are given greater powers to go in and take control with battens and put the fear of god into people that riot or cause trouble without the general population screaming police abuse and racial bigotry then we might just get somewhere.

It is always better to allow the police to do their jobs effectively without overly hindering them.

Many of our own new immigrants look at Australia as being a weak country and they in turn exploit this weakness overseas and within the country.

Am not saying it is an immigrant problem but more a problem of the whole community in general.

That's the whole point, you shoot at them, they shoot back, you're in an elevated and secured position, kill as many as possible and around the next 10 years they are all too dead to hassle anyone. The US has more guns than citizens and guess what, the mob is never armed.

This is honestly the most surreal story I've ever heard. The only place this kind've stuff happens in the US is in New York and Oakland and LA. To hear it on a regular basis there, WTF?

Where are the police in all this? I mean, is it that different over there? Once you make the call isn't it around 3 minutes until 5+ cop cars show up?

[Smooth]

I agree with the not moving comments. The "blow ins" you mention Smooth are the fact that moving won't make any difference. The fact is these days (and this is different even from 5-6 years ago) kids have access to phones and instantaneous messaging through social networking sites (facebook, myspace - also available on their phones) so within half an hour of wording getting out that there is a 'party' at location X you can have a large amount of people making there way to that location.

Also Smooth I'm sure the comment read worse then it was meant, but making a private school/non-private school circle distinction isn't really relevant or correct. I have socialised with both private school and non-private school groups and to be honest either group can get out of hand. That's fact.

Cheers

Agree with the tech issue being a big contributing factor, these events do seem to get very big a few hours after the start. Also apologies to to all for the private school comment, I went to both versions of school and upon reflection you are correct it is largely irrelevant/stupid to mention in this context...

Where are the police in all this? I mean, is it that different over there? Once you make the call isn't it around 3 minutes until 5+ cop cars show up?

On a saturday night the police here are just so stretched that they can only do their best. As dicko mentioned in his subsequent post, they can only spread themselves so far and sometimes it can take some time. I admire our officers and they do their absolute best, luckily on Saturday they made it here pretty fast.

They are lying Smooth. Merls, I , Shagga, Graeme, PJ, Matty, Greg, Mick, Steve, Artie, Lachlan, Ted, Ralph, Dino, to name a few have all lived here all our lives and we have never seen it or seen it once but never in our backyards and we are spread all over the city. To have seen it 4 times is beyond the pale. Move mate.

I agree four times is just absurd and you aren't the only one telling me to move!

After some chats this afternoon it seems the church was struggling to rent its hall and thus lowered their price considerably and maybe the standards along with it. Probably the best explanation I've heard thus far in the sudden influx of trouble. When previously, like your mates in their areas, there had never been much trouble.

What the cops need to do is set up a Facebook spy or Twitter spy. I doubt such a large group of people can organize to meet simply by using sms.

You get the names of one or two of the kids, add them on Facebook (using the identity of a cute girl) and when you see they've organized something - be at the scene before they get there.

Funny you mentioned that. A few years ago a dozen or so mates and I all had fast cars being the young men we were at the time we used to head out to the deserted mountains for some spirited driving once or twice during the week. As we all had office jobs we found an easy way to organise routes, meeting places, times etc was to post on our own forum. After about three months we began encountering police wherever we went regularly. Turns out they read the forum and if they had time would head out and make sure we werent being silly or breaking any laws, also handing out fines for loud exhausts, low suspension, carbon fibre parts etc.

So in short, your idea is possible and is used in other ways already. It would be a great idea for disarming party related trouble! I doubt they have the manpower available to make it work though.

[Smooth]

IMHO Australia does not need to make the same mistakes as the US has made by allowing in more arms than people.

The basic problem is the Government and community has become too soft. (being a democratic society sometimes has its drawbacks)

If the police are given greater powers to go in and take control with battens and put the fear of god into people that riot or cause trouble without the general population screaming police abuse and racial bigotry then we might just get somewhere.

It is always better to allow the police to do their jobs effectively without overly hindering them.

Bang on what my father said and I totally agree. His old man was a cop for a long time and he said they would have sorted it out very quickly while clearly giving the message its not to happen again!

[Freefallguy]

I was mugged by three Goth punks kicking me with their Doc Martin’s on the River Walk back in ’99. I threw $50 over the side of the walk and they scurried away like vermin. When I told friends at the drop zone the next day they looked at me like I had a third eye, saying "no one gets mugged in Brissy". Now, behind the story is that I was stupid, out on the walk at 3:00am. I’ve been back twice and have no fear whatsoever of being downtown.

You could always post a sign…

[Warren]

I am a dual citizen, OZ and US citizen. Australia is completely out of control. Reason? Nobody is at all serious about drugs, or any kind of discipline of any kind. Kill somebody, get 4 years, torture and kill somebody, get 4 years, do anything at all including the most horrific of crimes in Australia.....guess what? You'll get 4 -6 years and no more than 10. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't want to work, get paid!!! Play pokies all day, still get paid, your a lazy bastard, still get paid, just don't feel like doing anything at all? Still get paid.

Why is this acceptable in OZ????????????

Two words

Labour Government.

[Kangaroo495]

After some chats this afternoon it seems the church was struggling to rent its hall and thus lowered their price considerably and maybe the standards along with it.

Darn church. Making trouble as usual! Cops need to get the nuns of the streets, especially at that hour. lol!

Seriously though, I know what you're talking about. Maybe you could hire out the church for the night of your engagement, but not use it?

[Colt45]

Smooth, have you talked to the people at the church and explained what happens after these parties? While they have the right to rent out the

hall, you and your neighbors have equal right not to be affected by it. I don't know how it is over there, but here, each town grants liquor

permits to bars, clubs, etc.

If these problems persist, that's what I'd go after - they're ability not only to serve alcohol, but to have alcohol on the premises period for these

types of functions. To me that would be the weakest link and the easiest way to win the battle.

[armedak]

Hmm.... Let me see disarm the people, make them totally dependent on government/police protection, suspend civil liberties and increase police power and response. Oh yeah, sounds great. It sounds like you have finally got your "Nanny State" and don't like the unintended consquences.

[zuma]

Hmm.... Let me see disarm the people, make them totally dependent on government/police protection, suspend civil liberties and increase police power and response. Oh yeah, sounds great. It sounds like you have finally got your "Nanny State" and don't like the unintended consquences.

Let me see... in iraq anyone can own a weapon, there is no police protection, there is no such thing as liberties to suspend, sounds like iraq would be THE place to live... not! There we may not see such chaotic scenes of youth violence... but then there where none under Stalin or Hitler... such linear thinking would suggest that we need a totalitarian government...

[Kangaroo495]

[Padrino]

In my current neck of the woods the problem would be solved in typical fashion...

Burn down the hall.

Problem solved.