New HSA products

[havanaclub7]

I see HSA is rolling out a few new products, including the H. Upmann Magnum 50, Hoyo Epicure Especial and a special Cohiba Sublimes Extra book. Any idea when these will hit the shelves at Czar house? I'm drooling over the possibility of getting the Cohiba Sublimes, although the price will likely be astronomical.

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I've noticed that HSA is making some of the ELs part of the regular product lines. I'm just curious what people who have bought the previous ELs (and paid a "premium" for them) think of Habanos turing around and making them part of the regular production.

[Colt45]

» I've noticed that HSA is making some of the ELs part of the regular

» product lines. I'm just curious what people who have bought the previous

» ELs (and paid a "premium" for them) think of Habanos turing around and

» making them part of the regular production.

By re-releasing ELs, HSA has already shown that "limited" means very little. Making them regular

production should show us it means nothing.

And in doing so, I don't think it would be out of line to surmise that HSA has little respect for

the people buying their products.

I have to think that they'll ride the marketing gravy train as long as they're able. I'm hoping for a

day when they'll have competition in the productiuon of Cuban cigars.

[Don Candido]

» » I've noticed that HSA is making some of the ELs part of the regular

» » product lines. I'm just curious what people who have bought the

» previous

» » ELs (and paid a "premium" for them) think of Habanos turing around and

» » making them part of the regular production.

»

» By re-releasing ELs, HSA has already shown that "limited" means very

» little. Making them regular

» production should show us it means nothing.

» And in doing so, I don't think it would be out of line to surmise that HSA

» has little respect for

» the people buying their products.

» I have to think that they'll ride the marketing gravy train as long as

» they're able. I'm hoping for a

» day when they'll have competition in the productiuon of Cuban cigars.

Cohiba Sublimes Extra? I am in....

[havanaclub7]

» Cohiba Sublimes Extra? I am in....

I figured you would be. They are about the same length as a Double Corona with a larger ring gauge (54). I love DCs and Chuchills so I'm sure I'd like these. I wonder when they will be coming out and what the cost will be?

[Jimmy2]

I see it as a good thing if a certain EL or RR sells alot and it is a big hit they should put them as a regular production cigar.

Cigars are ment to be smoked period bravo to HSA..

[havanaclub7]

» I see it as a good thing if a certain EL or RR sells alot and it is a big

» hit they should put them as a regular production cigar.

»

» Cigars are ment to be smoked period bravo to HSA..

Jimmy,

I agree with you. I just don't think they should be charging a premium for the cigars only to turn around and make them part of the production line. That said, I'd give alomst anything if Cohiba added a Double Corona to their line.

[cvm4]

Unless it has a maduro wrapper, I doubt the EL cigars and the soon be released cigars have anything in common.

[Colt45]

To further the conversation....

It amounts to deceptive business practice.

These cigars were produced with the implied promise of exclusivity. And as such, in good faith,

people bought these cigars. And how were they rewarded?

On the subjective side, we may not care. But the facts remain - there is no such thing as a limited

edition Cuban cigar.

[cvm4]

Exactly, and now HSA word doesn't mean squat. It's obvious they're just out to collect the money while they can. It's a slap in the face to those that bought'm originally. But, to me it's not the same as an ER getting produced again. Because those were supposed to be a set amount for a certain time span.

[El Presidente]

I am essentially with Colt on this one.

Re-release does not sit comfortably with me and I have argued hard against it.

Let me put forward the HSA argument.

Purchasers of say the Upmann Magnum 50 LE will always have a Magnum 50 LE. On the band it says H Upmann Magnum 50 Edicion Limitada 2005

No one can take away the aged tobacco used or the nuances of that particular vintage. It is for all intensive purposes a Limited Edition release and always will be, based on the blend and it is signified by the Linited Edition band 2005.

[havanaclub7]

To further complicate the matter, Altadis has started releasing Edicion Limitada lines of its non-Cuban cigars. It seems like they are trying to milk the whole Limitada concept for every nickel they can get.

My understanding is they aren't even using specially aged tobacco or blends for the NCs either. If they continue to cheapen the EL concept, the special bands will essentially be no different than the date codes found on the bottom of a box.

[Claudius]

» I am essentially with Colt on this one.

»

» Re-release does not sit comfortably with me and I have argued hard against

» it.

»

» Let me put forward the HSA argument.

»

» Purchasers of say the Upmann Magnum 50 LE will always have a Magnum 50 LE.

» On the band it says H Upmann Magnum 50 Edicion Limitada 2005

»

» No one can take away the aged tobacco used or the nuances of that

» particular vintage. It is for all intensive purposes a Limited Edition

» release and always will be, based on the blend and it is signified by the

» Linited Edition band 2005.

To me, HSA are not exactly "re-releasing" the Mag50 as it will not have the same aged wrapper. It may be the same blend (with leaves from a different vintage), but the wrapper will be a "normal" (not 2 years aged) wrapper. And we have all seen the significant (if not immense) influence the wrapper has on the cigar, so these wont be exactly the same. Furthermore, the 2005s will always be older, LOL. But I agree, they're diluting the EL idea. It doesnt piss me off like some guys on here, although I understand the feeling. It would if they came with aged wrappers, I suppose, although they wont ever be 2005s. Let's wait and see what they're like, how much they will be going for, etc. and judge them then.

[SonGoku]

» Cohiba Sublimes Extra? I am in....

Yup those Sublimes Extra sure sound tasty :-P

[tigger]

Jeez folks, give HSA a break - maybe they've meant all along that the bands and packaging are limited edition, and not the cigars. :-P

Really not very respectful of them to do this, at all.

That said, I'm enough of a ***** that I'll likely grab a HU Mag 50 Cab 50 if the price isn't too ridiculous.

[purosdave]

» Jeez folks, give HSA a break - maybe they've meant all along that the bands

» and packaging are limited edition, and not the cigars. :-P

»

» Really not very respectful of them to do this, at all.

»

» That said, I'm enough of a ***** that I'll likely grab a HU Mag 50 Cab 50

» if the price isn't too ridiculous.

Hmmm, no complaints about the re-release of the BGM? As the owner of intact Mag50s, I still am glad they are releasing it - they are wonderful cigars afterall.

[tigger]

» » Jeez folks, give HSA a break - maybe they've meant all along that the

» bands

» » and packaging are limited edition, and not the cigars. :-P

» »

» » Really not very respectful of them to do this, at all.

» »

» » That said, I'm enough of a ***** that I'll likely grab a HU Mag 50 Cab

» 50

» » if the price isn't too ridiculous.

»

» Hmmm, no complaints about the re-release of the BGM? As the owner of

» intact Mag50s, I still am glad they are releasing it - they are wonderful

» cigars afterall.

Don't think the Wolters BGM were "Limited Edition" - a description which at very least implies that a cigar won't become a regular production item.

Personally, I buy cigars to smoke them, and not for investment purposes, so I'm not personally harmed by what HSA is doing.

I do think it's pretty cheesy though.

[Colt45]

» I do think it's pretty cheesy though.

Same here - bottom line for me, what HSA does is none of my business. But their actions

speak for themselves.

[havanaclub7]

» Don't think the Wolters BGM were "Limited Edition" - a description which

» at very least implies that a cigar won't become a regular production

» item.

»

» Personally, I buy cigars to smoke them, and not for investment purposes,

» so I'm not personally harmed by what HSA is doing.

»

» I do think it's pretty cheesy though.

I buy cigars to smoke them as well. However, I do not think HSA should be charging a high premium for their limited edition cigars only to turn around and add the special vitola to the regular production lines. I understand EL cigars have special wrappers, etc. but I still think it's a bit of a rip off.

[brian1]

I dont have a problem paying up for the EL's and if you are smart you can usually buy them on sale later. Some of my favorite cigars are EL's. They dont perform great when new but give these some time and they really start to shine. Now the Regionals on the other had, I have to think long and hard whether I want to drop $400 plus on a box of these and these do not go on sale it seems.

» » Don't think the Wolters BGM were "Limited Edition" - a description which

» » at very least implies that a cigar won't become a regular production

» » item.

» »

» » Personally, I buy cigars to smoke them, and not for investment

» purposes,

» » so I'm not personally harmed by what HSA is doing.

» »

» » I do think it's pretty cheesy though.

»

» I buy cigars to smoke them as well. However, I do not think HSA should be

» charging a high premium for their limited edition cigars only to turn

» around and add the special vitola to the regular production lines. I

» understand EL cigars have special wrappers, etc. but I still think it's a

» bit of a rip off.

[Trevor2118]

» Let me put forward the HSA argument.

»

» Purchasers of say the Upmann Magnum 50 LE will always have a Magnum 50 LE.

» On the band it says H Upmann Magnum 50 Edicion Limitada 2005

»

» No one can take away the aged tobacco used or the nuances of that

» particular vintage. It is for all intensive purposes a Limited Edition

» release and always will be, based on the blend and it is signified by the Limited Edition band 2005.

Well put!

On the basis of this, I will be adding LE to the discription of Limited Edition cigars on my website, as they are different cigars and should be identified as such.

[Jimmy2]

I think the LE and RE is a big marketing gimmick as they see what sells really good and than might incorporate it into there lineup (maybe a different wrapper from the original LE or RE.)

I think its a smart idea but again they are not backing up what LE or RE really means.

2 great cigars I hope to be released as regulars.

Monte Dante Edmundo what a great tasting and beautiful made cigar.

RA Beli (GREAT CIGAR) would love to see that as a regular to as I have no more help someone in FRANCE.LOL