Confirmed Discontinued List

[El Presidente]

The list is now confirmed. Sorry to see so many good friends go.

This is the list of the sizes that will be deleted from Habanos S.A. portfolio.

Some of them are still in stock in Habanos and may be ordered for this year but production will conclude December 2006.

Bolivar

Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Diplomáticos

Diplomaticos no.1 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Diplomaticos no.3 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Fonseca

Cosacos d-c-c/p-3-s/f-15

H. Upmann

Monarcas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

"Hoyo de Monterrey"

Double coronas d-c-c/p-3-n-15

Hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Le hoyo des dieux d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Le hoyo des dieux slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

Le hoyo du depute d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Le hoyo du depute slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

Le hoyo du maire d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Le hoyo du prince d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Le hoyo du prince slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

Le hoyo du roi d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Short hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Juan López

Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Panetelas superba cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Flor de Cano

Petit coronas d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Selectos d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Partagás

Churchills de luxe cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Habaneros d-c-c/p-5-n-50

Partagas no.1 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Punch Churchills cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

Rafael González

Lonsdales cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Panetelas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Slenderellas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Rey del Mundo

Coronas de luxe cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Tainos slb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Romeo y Julieta

Tres petit coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Saint Luis Rey

Churchills cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

Coronas cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

Lonsdales cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Petit coronas cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

Petit coronas d-c-c/p-5-n-25

Sancho Panza

Bachilleres cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Coronas gigantes cb-uw-n-10-n-10

Sanchos cb-uw-n-10-n-10

Sanchos cb-uw-n-5-w/b-5

Trinidad

Fundadores sbn-uw-n-10-n-50

Vegas Robaina

Familiar cb-uw-c/s-10-a/t-10

Quai D'Orsay

Gran Corona

[JMH]

Wow... that sucks. That's a lot of cigars to cut in one hit, a few really nice ones as well. Are they making any new additions?

[cvm4]

I still have no clue how to decipher the packaging. But there are some great cigars in that list.

[CIGARHead]

That list is a bit different than the previous ones. It's a shame that Habanos SA would get rid of Rey del Mundo's flagship - Taino. Whats next my beloved Choix Supreme?!

At least the Partagas 898 is NOT on there as previously reported.

Rob, will they be adding "new" cigars to make up for these cuts?

I guess it's time to stock up. Damn shame.:-(

[anacostiakat]

Looks like some of these are just box size discontinuations. Like the Fundy cab (50). Is that correct?

[n2advnture]

» The list is now confirmed. Sorry to see so many good friends go.

Thanks Rob!

~Mark

ps - any way we can get the packaging codes?

[Havana Joe]

Wow that really is a lot of smokes to discontinue at one time!

[jgros001]

thanks for that confirmation...disappointing to say the least.

[DocRKS]

The Partagas Coronas to be discontinued !!!

Now I know the inmates are running the asylum -

This has always represented one of the All Time Classics of Habana Cigars for me - it is probably the cigar that had more to do with me switching to being an almost exclusively Cuban Cigar smoker. A 50 Cab of Partagas Coronas is always one of the gems and one of the staples of my Humidor - I am very disapointed that they would pick to drop this magical cigar.

Also - when you look at the cut list and the list of cigars proposed for regular release and Regional release in 2007 - it sure appears that the powers that be do NOT agree that the marketplace needs smaller ring cigars ----there are a LOT of Heavy Hitters on those lists - Ring Guage 50+!

[greenpimp]

That is pretty deep. Some messed up selections, IMO.

So bye bye Le hoyo series, most of the SLR line, Partagas and Boli Coronas, and Upmann Monarcas as well as other notables? Damn.

[josie67]

» That is pretty deep. Some messed up selections, IMO.

»

» So bye bye Le hoyo series, most of the SLR line, Partagas and Boli

» Coronas, and Upmann Monarcas as well as other notables? Damn.

Damned, the ENTIRE Le Hoyo line has been discontinued? I can't figure out the packaginb code :-(

[pnutbutrsangwich]

» » That is pretty deep. Some messed up selections, IMO.

» »

» » So bye bye Le hoyo series, most of the SLR line, Partagas and Boli

» » Coronas, and Upmann Monarcas as well as other notables? Damn.

»

» Damned, the ENTIRE Le Hoyo line has been discontinued? I can't figure out

» the packaginb code :-(

It's not the whole line... just 50 cabs and 5 pack cardboard packaging that never existed anyway. Also notice the VR Familiars, which aren't being discontinued, just the 10 ct Tubos box which also never existed. It also appear that it's just the Boli Coronas in dress boxes being discontinued. These exist in cabs, correct?

[greenpimp]

» »

» It's not the whole line... just 50 cabs and 5 pack cardboard packaging

» that never existed anyway.

It shows the 25 AND the 50 box being cut on the des Dieux, Depute, and Roi. The others listed as cut (du Maire and Roi) are only the 25 box.

What does that leave, the Dauphin and the Gourmet, the Roi 50? Odd.

And will the Monarca still be available in tubes? I wonder...

[greenpimp]

Oh I see--the SLR line D/C'a are mostly Tubes. But someone hates the le Hoyo series, Foh sho.

[Black Plague]

Rob, are there any channels through which we, the consumer, can protest such cuts?

I know the market is against us. They're catering now to the occassional smoker and not even the long-term, devoted connoisseur anymore. I don't really want to just bend over and take it from Habanos/Altadis like this.

Sure, we're the "gray market" but I know damn well they're doing this to meet the demand caused by an AMERICAN trend (bigger ring gauges and a distaste for any cigar that isn't big enough to resemble a horse's penis).

We need to have a good old fashioned write-in protest campaign!

[idesign]

Choosing to disco the Des Dieux is a travesty....... :crying:

[greenpimp]

PBS--my bad. I see what you're saying--the Carboard 5x5 (25) box and 50 cas are D/C. The 25 cab of the Dieux, etc are still available. I hope.

[idesign]

» PBS--my bad. I see what you're saying--the Carboard 5x5 (25) box and 50

» cas are D/C. The 25 cab of the Dieux, etc are still available. I hope.

I hope you're right. I guess c/p 5 n 25 just means 5 pks, huh? I saw 25 and jumped to conclusions.

[pnutbutrsangwich]

» PBS--my bad. I see what you're saying--the Carboard 5x5 (25) box and 50

» cas are D/C. The 25 cab of the Dieux, etc are still available. I hope.

I thought that's what it meant. No worries, bro. I've never had a Dieux, but I hope they don't cut that line either!

[Mel]

Thanks for giving us the bad news now tell me why cut so many popular cigars???? I mean the Partagas Coronas??? When will they cut the Cohiba Robusto?

[CWS]

» "Hoyo de Monterrey"

» Double coronas d-c-c/p-3-n-15

» Hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Le hoyo des dieux d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo des dieux slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du depute d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du depute slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du maire d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du prince d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du prince slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du roi d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Short hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Ouch. SLash and burn on the Hoyo line. So sad. Lots of big 50 cabs going the way of the dodo.

[Colt45]

» Rob, are there any channels through which we, the consumer, can protest

» such cuts?

»

» We need to have a good old fashioned write-in protest campaign!

BP, your post reminded me of this thread:

http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/board_entr...id=31765#p31765

and this post by Rob in particular:

Tampa/Gehrig.

I am putting together a plan (August) which I will submit in relation to re-invigorating the thin guage ranks. Let's work together over that time. I have promised to submit a proposal to HSA before the end of the year. Let's aim for October.

Very little of what Habanos s.a does is targeted at the US market. The "big is beautiful" phenomenon is just as active in Dubai as it is in Dallas. It is very hard to argue against the sales figures they have.

[Tom Bolivar]

» Partagás

» Churchills de luxe cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Rey del Mundo

» Tainos slb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

Hi Rob

Thanks for confirming that so fast! You ARE da man with the hot information!

Anyone:

If I interpret the quote above correctly the Partagas Churchill de Luxe and the El Rey del Mundo Tainos are gone for good after 2006. Do I read the packaging codes correctly?

That would rip another hole into my allready "tattered" budget...

Regards,

Tom

[stevejb]

From a business standpoint it makes sense. I'm sure most of the cigars cut didn't move very well. I say this because many from the list can be found online with at least 4 years of age. Trimming the fat for Altadis allows them to concentrate on making more of the cigars that sell big for them.

There are 3 or 4 smokes on the list I'm sad to see go, but I either have enough of them to last for some time or can pick some more up at decent prices.

[El Presidente]

» The list is now confirmed. Sorry to see so many good friends go.

»

» This is the list of the sizes that will be deleted from Habanos S.A.

» portfolio.

» Some of them are still in stock in Habanos and may be ordered for this

» year but production will conclude December 2006.

»

»

»

»

» Bolivar

» Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Diplomáticos

» Diplomaticos no.1 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Diplomaticos no.3 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Fonseca

» Cosacos d-c-c/p-3-s/f-15

» H. Upmann

» Monarcas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» "Hoyo de Monterrey"

» Double coronas d-c-c/p-3-n-15

» Hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Le hoyo des dieux d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo des dieux slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du depute d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du depute slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du maire d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du prince d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Le hoyo du prince slb-uw-gpsr-m-n-50

» Le hoyo du roi d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Short hoyo coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Juan López

» Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Panetelas superba cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Flor de Cano

» Petit coronas d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Selectos d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Partagás

» Churchills de luxe cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Habaneros d-c-c/p-5-n-50

» Partagas no.1 cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Punch Churchills cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

» Rafael González

» Lonsdales cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Panetelas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Slenderellas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Rey del Mundo

» Coronas de luxe cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Tainos slb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Romeo y Julieta

» Tres petit coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Saint Luis Rey

» Churchills cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

» Coronas cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

» Lonsdales cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Petit coronas cb-uw-c/s-9,9,7-a/t-25

» Petit coronas d-c-c/p-5-n-25

» Sancho Panza

» Bachilleres cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Coronas cb-uw-c/l-12,13-n-25

» Coronas gigantes cb-uw-n-10-n-10

» Sanchos cb-uw-n-10-n-10

» Sanchos cb-uw-n-5-w/b-5

» Trinidad

» Fundadores sbn-uw-n-10-n-50

» Vegas Robaina

» Familiar cb-uw-c/s-10-a/t-10

» Quai D'Orsay

» Gran Corona

Anywhere you see c/p = carton packs. No big loss

I have a meeting here with Habanos s.a Marketing execs October 7th and 8th. I will put forward a case for retention of many of these on the list.

There are replacements planned but at this point I cannot disclose.

At the end of the day it has come down to sales. I commented only a few monthes ago my fears for Sancho Panza and Rafael Gonzalez....it appears those fears have manifested themselves.

No excuse that I can see for Partagas Corona or Bolivar Corona?

***Note, the De Dieux is being cut in the SLB 50 and the 25 count carton pack. The SLB 25 will continue. ***