BHK Sampler drops

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https://halfwheel.com/new-cohiba-behike-bhk-sampler-priced-at-more-than-2000-in-switzerland/460832/

Who is lining up for this?

 

[Puros Y Vino]

Yikes. If there is a silver lining at this price point. You are getting 3 OR BHK's from 2010 and the mythical BHK58. If it was all recent production, it'd be a huge slap in the face. Not that this isn't and Habanos isn't in the face slapping business.  

I can see some selling, but not being enjoyed, but sat on for speculation.  

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Hmm. I could have so much hope, but that's not how I'm reading this. I'm not in line anyway.

[charlieminato]

8 hours ago, Puros Y Vino said:

Yikes. If there is a silver lining at this price point. You are getting 3 OR BHK's from 2010 and the mythical BHK58. If it was all recent production, it'd be a huge slap in the face. Not that this isn't and Habanos isn't in the face slapping business.  

I can see some selling, but not being enjoyed, but sat on for speculation.  

I was a little concerned we might have missed a key detail. I just looked over the press material from Habanos S.A. and Intertabak. I don't see anything that would suggest these are vintage cigars. Do you have anymore info on this? 

[Capn_Jackson]

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45 minutes ago, charlieminato said:

. I don't see anything that would suggest these are vintage cigars. Do you have anymore info on this? 

Hey Charlie. I believe this is a hopeful tic in interpreting from how you at Halfwheel format the listing of cigars with the original release year.

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21 minutes ago, Capn_Jackson said:

Slappity, slap, slap!

What sound the hand make?

Slap!

[LizardGizmo]

I was a little concerned we might have missed a key detail. I just looked over the press material from Habanos S.A. and Intertabak. I don't see anything that would suggest these are vintage cigars. Do you have anymore info on this? 

I would be shocked if they had original release BHK sitting around for 15 years to release it casually in this 4 pack - after having rebanded them. I don’t think the age value is built into this price.

I was told that the festival gift box configuration with these bands would soon be retailing for $2k when they were given out last year, and those were definitely all fresh cigars.

[charlieminato]

48 minutes ago, Çnote said:

Hey Charlie. I believe this is a hopeful tic in interpreting from how you at Halfwheel format the listing of cigars with the original release year.

Ahh. I had never thought of it that way, but I see it now. Something to think about how we could make it clearer without getting it overly wordy, as some of these lists are already blocks of text.

To clarify: nothing would suggest that these are vintage cigars and I would be very surprised if they were and that wasn't overly communicated a la the Trinidad. My apologies to anyone who read that and thought these were three vintage cigars, certainly not what we mean by that. Those dates reference the year of introduction, something we do on lots of posts. I understand how that could be confusing. We will likely be adding "Released" going forward. 

On a different note.

Does anyone know if there's been any guidance on 10-count pricing? I'd imagine all BHK gets a price increase to go along with the new packaging, if nothing else, the new packaging is more expensive to produce than the old packaging. Trying to figure out if the pricing strategy is a. these samplers have a huge premium or b. the BHK 58 is going to be $1,200 per cigar. The more I think about this, the more I think it's the latter.

[LizardGizmo]

13 hours ago, charlieminato said:

Does anyone know if there's been any guidance on 10-count pricing? I'd imagine all BHK gets a price increase to go along with the new packaging, if nothing else, the new packaging is more expensive to produce than the old packaging. Trying to figure out if the pricing strategy is a. these samplers have a huge premium or b. the BHK 58 is going to be $1,200 per cigar. The more I think about this, the more I think it's the latter.

I heard BHK58 will be MSRP $7,000ish for a 10ct. This was a year ago so who knows what they’re thinking on price now.

I was also reminded that the 4ct gift box of BHK was available for sale at LCDH in Havana during the festival for $2,400.

 

[Puros Y Vino]

15 hours ago, charlieminato said:

I was a little concerned we might have missed a key detail. I just looked over the press material from Habanos S.A. and Intertabak. I don't see anything that would suggest these are vintage cigars. Do you have anymore info on this? 

Hi Charlie. Nice to see you here.

I definitely don't have more info. I think I misunderstood this bit from the article.

Inside is one of the following:

• Cohiba Behike BHK 52 (4 3/4 x 52) — 2010
• Cohiba Behike BHK 54 (5 2/3 x 54) — 2010
• Cohiba Behike BHK 56 (6 1/2 x 56) — 2010
• Cohiba Behike BHK 58 (7 x 58) — 2026

I assumed that 2010 & 2026 referred to the box code of the included cigars. But I think you meant to make note of the Original release year? A quick assumption on my part. Given how Habanos has gone back to grab vintage stock and re-release it. If you didn't find any indication in their materials that they are vintage sticks then we should go with that. Because if that was the case, they'd be crazy not to promote that.

[Ryan]

7 hours ago, charlieminato said:

Does anyone know if there's been any guidance on 10-count pricing? I'd imagine all BHK gets a price increase to go along with the new packaging, if nothing else, the new packaging is more expensive to produce than the old packaging. Trying to figure out if the pricing strategy is a. these samplers have a huge premium or b. the BHK 58 is going to be $1,200 per cigar. The more I think about this, the more I think it's the latter.

I took this picture at FIHAV in ExpoCuba in November. The Habanos representative told me “about $250 each” when I asked him the release price. I laughed.

I had heard $700 each too. That does seem high but there is new packaging. I’m surprised that the release date and event hasn’t been announced yet. They might do it at the Festival next month, given the anniversary.

 

[Puros Y Vino]

5 hours ago, Ryan said:

I took this picture at FIHAV in ExpoCuba in November. The Habanos representative told me “about $250 each” when I asked him the release price. I laughed.

I had heard $700 each too. That does seem high but there is new packaging. I’m surprised that the release date and event hasn’t been announced yet. They might do it at the Festival next month, given the anniversary.

Wow. Those look great. It makes me sad that I won't be able to grab these as pricing is insane. Even though the original 3 BHK's were the most expensive sticks at the time. They were still somewhat reasonable. You can barely get 1 stick for what a box of 10 cost initially.

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9 hours ago, charlieminato said:

Trying to figure out if the pricing strategy is a. these samplers have a huge premium or b. the BHK 58 is going to be $1,200 per cigar. The more I think about this, the more I think it's the latter.

Nah, you got the right idea, $1.2k a pop.

[charlieminato]

5 hours ago, Ryan said:

I took this picture at FIHAV in ExpoCuba in November. The Habanos representative told me “about $250 each” when I asked him the release price. I laughed.

I had heard $700 each too. That does seem high but there is new packaging. I’m surprised that the release date and event hasn’t been announced yet. They might do it at the Festival next month, given the anniversary.

I don't know what a $10,000 box of cigars is supposed to look like, but... that is a cool picture. Hadn't seen the 10-count before.

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2 hours ago, charlieminato said:

I don't know what a $10,000 box of cigars is supposed to look like, but... that is a cool picture. Hadn't seen the 10-count before.

There's not much visible difference from across the room between a bottle of nouveau and a bottle of DRC. I have ~$1k value boxes I bought for ~$300. I know I've paid $300 or so for vintage DRC RSV and you can't find that fresh for less than $3k these days. Mac18 has at least tripled in price on the same time line; Mac25 would be a better comparison but I don't have those numbers handy.

This isn't intrinsic value, but an emotional value in that someone will pay that for it. Only HSA's discretion is in the way of +$1k msrp per stick, and they know there is a demographic that will pay for consumable luxury, it's already happened in alcohol.