Fuzz Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 5 hours ago, BoliDan said: Let's be honest, Voyager was bad from the the get go. Start off by infiltrating a terrorist group, and making an arrest. Then, giving said terrorists assignments on the ship, and even giving one of them officer rank of COMMANDER. That's right, all of our lowly ship crew need to work years on this ship. But, you Mr. Terrorist with some previous star fleet experience can jump ahead of all them, including Tuvok, and get number 2 on the ship. In what military would that ever happen? I would have thought TNG as best by consensus. Deep Space 9 was decent, but the whole religious thing was eye rolling. Yes and no. Many of the Maquis (terrorists) were Starfleet officers/enlisted before joining the Maquis. And with the majority of the Voyager senior officers killed in the first episode, that was how the justified having both sides serve on the ship. Chakotay was a Lt Cmdr before joining the Maquis, higher in rank than Tuvok who was a Lieutenant (he was Janeway's Security Officer before the show started). It was also reasoned that if Chakotay was 1st officer, the other Maquis would be more likely to follow Janeway's orders and trust the chain of command. 2
El Presidente Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fuzz said: Yes and no. Many of the Maquis (terrorists) were Starfleet officers/enlisted before joining the Maquis. And with the majority of the Voyager senior officers killed in the first episode, that was how the justified having both sides serve on the ship. Chakotay was a Lt Cmdr before joining the Maquis, higher in rank than Tuvok who was a Lieutenant (he was Janeway's Security Officer before the show started). It was also reasoned that if Chakotay was 1st officer, the other Maquis would be more likely to follow Janeway's orders and trust the chain of command. .......I had always wondered 3
BoliDan Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 30 minutes ago, Fuzz said: Yes and no. Many of the Maquis (terrorists) were Starfleet officers/enlisted before joining the Maquis. And with the majority of the Voyager senior officers killed in the first episode, that was how the justified having both sides serve on the ship. Chakotay was a Lt Cmdr before joining the Maquis, higher in rank than Tuvok who was a Lieutenant (he was Janeway's Security Officer before the show started). It was also reasoned that if Chakotay was 1st officer, the other Maquis would be more likely to follow Janeway's orders and trust the chain of command. It's still an iffy concept within military. To think she can instate/reinstate them within Starfleet ranks without any approval. If anything the military branch itself would still consider these folks deserters and criminals. Their position on the ship would not be recognized as a Captain of a vessel can't just absolve criminal records held by the judicial branch and hand out officer ranks to that aren't even in the Starfleet personnel system anymore. I know I'm nit picking on a fantasy/scifi reality. But, I hated the concept right away and stuck with me through the whole series.
Fuzz Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, El Presidente said: .......I had always wondered Stop wondering and ask! Happy to spend a few hours going over all your Star Trek questions. 3
Fuzz Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, BoliDan said: It's still an iffy concept within military. To think she can instate/reinstate them within Starfleet ranks without any approval. If anything the military branch itself would still consider these folks deserters and criminals. Their position on the ship would not be recognized as a Captain of a vessel can't just absolve criminal records held by the judicial branch and hand out officer ranks to that aren't even in the Starfleet personnel system anymore. I know I'm nit picking on a fantasy/scifi reality. But, I hated the concept right away and stuck with me through the whole series. Don't forget, as Captain, Janeway has the authority to give field commissions. Outside of the jurisdiction of Starfleet, and to maintain order on board ship, compromises had to be made. Wesley Crusher was a civilian and was made an Acting Ensign, then given a field commission to Ensign, by Picard. 1
BoliDan Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Fuzz said: Don't forget, as Captain, Janeway has the authority to give field commissions. Outside of the jurisdiction of Starfleet, and to maintain order on board ship, compromises had to be made. Wesley Crusher was a civilian and was made an Acting Ensign, then given a field commission to Ensign, by Picard. You can put nerd me fuzz. But you'll never take my grumpy away. And what was with six of nine in heels? Ah, yes a borg pick shoes based on aesthetics. 😎
blank Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Ahh yes Seven of nine now there's a sexbot I'd like to Ai
Fuzz Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, BoliDan said: You can put nerd me fuzz. But you'll never take my grumpy away. And what was with six of nine in heels? Ah, yes a borg pick shoes based on aesthetics. 😎 In the case of Seven of Nine, assimilation is better accepted when it is done by a sexy, buxom woman in a skintight unitard and high heels. 1
BoliDan Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Fuzz said: In the case of Seven of Nine, assimilation is better accepted when it is done by a sexy, buxom woman in a skintight unitard and high heels. I guess I said six of nine. I haven't given it attention in decades. I should rewatch.
El Presidente Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Fuzz said: Don't forget, as Captain, Janeway has the authority to give field commissions. Outside of the jurisdiction of Starfleet, and to maintain order on board ship, compromises had to be made. Wesley Crusher was a civilian and was made an Acting Ensign, then given a field commission to Ensign, by Picard. .....good point Fuzz
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