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5 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Bingo. :clap:

Now how can that be? The first box is 2019. The others May 22?

Actually, the barcode strips are sligthly different. Look at them carefully. Not saying they are legitimate but none of the barcodes are exactly the same

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Keep in mind all three carried the 9999 microprint affliction.  I would lay a lazy $100 that the size of the bar code and the numbers font is the same on all 9999 afflicted boxes. It is something that

I certainly don't know - this is all pure speculation. I'm guessing the green layer is done with a fancy printing plate that has holes in it that the microprint serial numbers can be dropped in.

I've seen print machines in China, it would definitely be automated. The layout would be done by computer with the space for the microprinted serial numbers filled in as an editable field. Just batch

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Now all three boxes with the same parallel bars have a few things in common:

 

1. They have smaller bars than a normal code.

2. They have a larger font than a normal code. 

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2 minutes ago, Jeanff said:

Actually, the barcode strips are sligthly different. Look at them carefully. Not saying they are legitimate but none of the barcodes are exactly the same

work with me here. They are close enough :rotfl:

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I think it is widely accepted that   9999 9999 9999 9999 is the default microprining number. 

Could it be extrapolated that the parallel bar pattern / size / number font above are also the default print? 

 

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22 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

 

I think it is widely accepted that   9999 9999 9999 9999 is the default microprining number. 

Could it be extrapolated that the parallel bar pattern / size / number font above are also the default print? 

 

If the above is feasible then is it possible that some bar code/serial number font anomalies are a case of programmer error?  Do they work to templates and push template 4 as opposed to 3? How manual is the process? 

:thinking:

Posted
1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

Guys check out the first three barcodes. 

Notice anything? 

Yeah, you can't take pics in focus. :P

Posted
5 hours ago, Fuzz said:

Yeah, you can't take pics in focus. :P

.........If you keep picking on me, I am going to tell Di. 

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There are a lot of anomalies here. Whether or not that means fake is another issue.

Spacing issues in the barcode/warranty area.

The bars are identical despite different serials. 

Serial font is flawed. Some are lighter/finer, some bolder, some digits have print errors.

The serials are chronologically off by production period. 

With the UV seal being correct I would say the likelihood of these being genuine goes up, however there are too many anomalies for me to feel comfortable with them. 

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4 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

With the UV seal being correct I would say the likelihood of these being genuine goes up, however there are too many anomalies for me to feel comfortable with them. 

Remarkably, 100% genuine.

 

What intrigues me is the process where they kick a production run over. 

Who can explain the process from creation to application? 

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5 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Remarkably, 100% genuine.

 

What intrigues me is the process where they kick a production run over. 

Who can explain the process from creation to application? 

You are seriously asking about processes from a company that is the cigar manufacturer equivalent of the Keystone Cops?

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27 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

You are seriously asking about processes from a company that is the cigar manufacturer equivalent of the Keystone Cops?

just intrigued. :D

I mean, it is not the first time a retailer has been questioned because the font on the barcode was "off"

.....you can now throw that one out the window ;)

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11 minutes ago, traveller said:

The bar codes aren't identical, they're close but not identical

Interestingly the barcode size and font are identical + very different to the size and font on non 9999 boxes from the same period.

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2 hours ago, El Presidente said:

What intrigues me is the process where they kick a production run over. 

Kick which production run over? Serial sequence? 

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1 minute ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Kick which production run over? Serial sequence? 

Would love to know.  

Does anyone know the production process of the warranty seals?  

 

 

 

 

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On 10/10/2022 at 11:02 PM, El Presidente said:

Would love to know.  

Does anyone know the production process of the warranty seals?  

Process, god only knows. Why the 999999999, why the font differences, bar codes, spacing, broken digits...they must have found a new manufacturer of these stickers and they're blowing it. In this climate they're going to have to rectify this ASAFP. Right now we only have the UV seal to rely on for authenticity and that won't last long. 

For the serial sequence it appears to just run linearly. You have to make note of the date at the time of the serial as a marker but it has been consistent for 12 years. 

2011-2013: 00001

2014: 000021-000026

2015: 000027-000029

2016: 000031-000036

2017: 000037-000039

2018: 00004

2019: 000044-000047

2020: 000047-000050

2021: 000050-000053

2022: 000053-000056

2023: 000056-000059

2024: 000059-

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First, as others have said, barcode bar pattern is different.

Newer codes on 2019-production is basically possible if a box had been held in stock for longer in Cuba. We have seen such before, e.g. newer seals placed over the old non-hologram ones during the transition period in 2009. Or older stock that had been held back and put on the market later. So, this doesn’t rule out completely it’s legit still.

Seals on the Exquisitos are very clearly not as supposed to be. Apart from the default wildcard numbering in the microprint there’s more. I would clearly reject those (at least).

6 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Remarkably, 100% genuine.

Who / what is telling you these are legit, Rob? Pics aren’t the best, but I’d very much doubt it without going too much out on a limb.

I mean if these are supposed to be “warranting” anything, then we can forget about the Cuba-seal altogether from here on....

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1 hour ago, Fugu said:

Who / what is telling you these are legit, Rob? Pics aren’t the best, but I’d very much doubt it without going too much out on a limb.

I mean if these are supposed to be “warranting” anything, then we can forget about the Cuba-seal altogether from here on....

Keep in mind all three carried the 9999 microprint affliction.  I would lay a lazy $100 that the size of the bar code and the numbers font is the same on all 9999 afflicted boxes. It is something that we will compare going forward. 

The Exquisitos came in from PCC over the past 2 weeks. The Siglo II a few weeks prior to that. The cigars are perfect.

I have never seen this many 9999 affected boxes. It was only a few months back that a mastercase of CORO all with 9999. 

You get a sense that it is all continuing to fall apart. :lookaround:

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