FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Off the top of my head, money, nature, some simple pleasures found in nature. These things are good, even great. But this was not great... Hopefully you can see past the blur. Partagas P2, in humi for three weeks under, IMO, perfect conditions. Previous Upmann and Punch were fantastic. This was horrible. Vibrant green leafs in the filler. The cold aroma was fantastic. Now, I understand they are young, I knew what I was getting into, and I am in no way faulting anyone (except maybe the roller who was having a bad day?). I've never seen this so I have questions. Is this normal? Should I expect other sticks from the batch to be the same? Is it an indicator of how much rest they need, and if so, advice? After that experience I have zero plans of revisiting then any time soon. I'm still trying to get that taste out of my mouth. Just trying to learn. Thanks in advance for any advice, comments, suggestions, etc.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corylax18 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 The leaves turn from Green to Brown in the Drying barns, before they ever leave the farms. The rough shade of the leaf is pretty much set during this drying/curing period.(Candela wrapper is formed by rapidly curing the leaf, locking in the chlorophyll) So said under cured leaf would have to pass through about a dozen further processes between the farm, fermenting, ageing, sorting, bundling, resorting at the factory then blending. It could happen, but even with Cuba's poor QC practices, the chances are pretty low. I've never seen a green leaf in a bunch in a legitimate cuban cigar. Green spots? Fine, but not an entire leaf. Your storage conditions don't really matter in this case. If the leaf wasn't properly cured at the very beginning of the process, then there isnt much, if anything, you can do to make it better in the Humidor. Are you 100% sure of authenticity? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 This came from 24:24 PSP/HQ here back in early January. I need to be better about recording box codes/dates. I've enjoyed everything else. Like I said, the exterior and cold aroma were fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derboesekoenig Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Is there just one or two outliers? What exactly did it taste like? Lol inquiring minds want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, FOHrty9er said: Is this normal? You see it more often than you would think. Well, people would see it if they looked a little closer into the filler. if it is green and the taste is poor then it is more than likely a poor curing issue. It is a fault at the point of drying of the leaf. If it is green and the taste is fine then it may be a quirk of many things including sunshine and/or barn positioning/ climate quirk. Green wrapper on Cuban cigars isn't common these days but you do see them. Green tinges to the filler is far more common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Derboesekoenig said: Is there just one or two outliers? What exactly did it taste like? Lol inquiring minds want to know Are you sure you can handle the gory details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Thanks @El Presidente I recently had a green wrapper from another source. That experience lead me here? Honestly, based on both experiences, I would rather the green wrapper. The green filter just was not good. Again, not angry. I own an agriculture business and COMPLETELY understand! Be thankful you are not one of our clients when I have to explain Mother Nature. LOL What say the masses? I don't want to smoke another one, but in the name of science or the search of an anomoly, shall I cut another one open or let them do your thing? Your call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, BirdDog said: Just had the same experience with an hdm epi2. This is from an 8 month old 50 cab. The filler is much more green than you can see in the pic. Tasted like crap, this is not from our host. The bunching on that looks SOOO different. I would stay away from that source! BTW, I am staying away from my other source as well. Curious where that came from. PM me if you care to delve further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, FOHrty9er said: Again, not angry. Should you become that way.....focus it in the direction of Tabacuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, El Presidente said: Should you become that way.....focus it in the direction of Tabacuba Dang, not I need to research Tabacuba. Gives me something to do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, FOHrty9er said: Dang, not I need to research Tabacuba. Gives me something to do ? Let me help you out The Cuban Tobacco Enterprise Group, Tabacuba, established in July of 2000, manages the tobacco industry of Cuba. It provides employment for approximately 40,000 people. Tabacuba falls under the umbrella of the Ministry of Agriculture (MINAG). The Tabacuba business group consists of 40 state enterprises, joint ventures with foreign businesses (Internacional Cubana de Tabacos S.A., Habanos S.A., & Brascuba Cigarrillos S.A.), Cubatabaco, a Cuban trading company, and a research institute. , Tabacuba formed a joint business venture (Internacional Cubana de Tabacos, S.A.) in 2001 with the Imperial Tobacco Group (ITG), the world’s fourth largest tobacco corporation. The business plans to expand and modernize the only mechanized cigar factory in the country. Imperial Tobacco has a 50% interest in Habanos S.A., Cuba’s official cigar marketing and manufacturing company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geaux Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I've seen this a few times... Never bothered me I guess. Farming should produce variety, not uniformity. If you get uniformity, it can only mean something unnatural.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 @El Presidente whelp, hopefully the ITG can modernize competently and successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOHrty9er Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Thank you for the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It happens: "Cuban lottery". But not as scary as it seems. Put them to age for 3-5 years and the bitterness will disappear. Sometimes it's not even the fault of quality control. Often I put in a humidor beautiful cigars and after a while I see that there were green spots on the wrapper. If you dissect a cigar and unfold the leaves, you can see green spots. Often, the sorter or torsedor sees an ordinary sheet and only by looking through it at the sun or the lamp you can see dark spots-residual organic compounds. In the process of aging fermentation is completed. This is normal for Partagas. Usually D4 is impossible to smoke without aging for at least 3 years, while the leaves are brown. But after aging, D4 becomes a very good cigar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJRPorter Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, FOHrty9er said: Thanks @El Presidente I recently had a green wrapper from another source. That experience lead me here? Honestly, based on both experiences, I would rather the green wrapper. The green filter just was not good. Again, not angry. I own an agriculture business and COMPLETELY understand! Be thankful you are not one of our clients when I have to explain Mother Nature. LOL What say the masses? I don't want to smoke another one, but in the name of science or the search of an anomoly, shall I cut another one open or let them do your thing? Your call... I feel your pain! Ag/Food Service here. Back to the cigar. Seen filler like that before, not often, maybe 1 in a 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokum Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 My suggestion, don’t sweat it. You got them from the best place possible. You can get an oddball from time to time. I dont bother to look at the filler. I light it and smoke it. You know in the first 5 minutes whether it is going to be stellar or just good or even total crap. My daughter brought me home some Monte Cristo and R&J tubos from Amsterdam. Beautiful cigars but young. My cigar bud and I smoked one of the Montes and although it was ok in the first 1/3 it become an angry bitch. We tried our best to get thru them but at the 1/2 mark we just couldn’t continue. It became so bitter and the nicotine hit was in the overdose catagory. We tossed them. Lips and tongue were numb for a couple hours. Stuff happens. Dont let it get to you. Just enjoy something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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