from the washington post...

[Ken Gargett]

a great quote from the post re the most important thing in DC, the skins.

"The odds of Washington making the playoffs is almost two-times the chance you will be injured by a toilet."

[anacostiakat]

I would like to know the incidence of toilet injuries.

[ElPuro]

So what's the verdict? Keep Cousins or let him go? 

[Ken Gargett]

15 minutes ago, ElPuro said:

So what's the verdict? Keep Cousins or let him go? 

that demands a much longer answer and far more consideration than i can offer this time of night. on it, tomorrow.

[Fatshotbud]

One good thing that comes out of WDC is I95...

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[alloy]

Even if perchance the Skins make it to the playoffs, they have had so many injuries due to toilets, they won't go anywhere.

[PapaDisco]

5 hours ago, anacostiakat said:

I would like to know the incidence of toilet injuries.

No.  Definitely don't want to know that OR see the illustrated list!  

[clutch5150]

7 hours ago, anacostiakat said:

I would like to know the incidence of toilet injuries.

In Cuba without many toilet seats around, it could get the %'s up!

[Ken Gargett]

9 hours ago, ElPuro said:

So what's the verdict? Keep Cousins or let him go? 

the problems with kirk are that he is going to cost a bomb and no one knows if he wants to be there. assuming he does - and despite the way he has been treated by the skins FO and Dan and Bruce Allen - then they have to work out a deal. a third tag is insane, though there seems to be a lot of talk about just that????

one has to assume that the 49ers and rams are now out of the race, unless the garrapolo deal was to put in place a deal where the skins take him and the 49ers get kirk. but i guess there are plenty of other teams that might be keen and today, you can presumably add the giants.

i think he has now done more than enough to establish himself as one of the better QBs in the NFL. when you consider going to seattle and pulling off that win and a few others. we are 5-6 in spite of kirk, not because of him. the stats are really impressive, especially as he lost two 1000 yards WRs and got a near rookie and a reformed QB who has been hopeless. the top receiver/RB has now gone down injured. his top TE and fave target has been gone all year almost. they lost their top RB so he has had to rely on a rookie. and the much hyped O line has been horribly banged up. consider all that and he has been brilliant. currently 2nd in the NFL in yards, 5th in yards per attempt, 7th in completion %, 7th with a passing rating over 101, 7th with TDs, 1st with 32 plays over 25 yards (not bad given he lost djax, the game's leading deep threat). and he has put up terrific stats for several years now. he is far from perfect but he is very good. we won't do better.

but how much? will he simply be too expensive? the FO has stuffed this up massively. could have had him long term much cheaper but lowballed him. depending on guarantees etc, i think $25 mill is a minimum. perhaps even $28. for a lengthy period. but remember, any deal with kirk is going to be middle of the pack in a few years. it is the way contracts for QBs are headed.

we are not going to get anyone close in FA and who wants to roll the dice on drafting a top QB? the skins, pre kirk, have not drafted an elite QB since sammy baugh back in the 1700s. they just do not get it right, which makes me so puzzled by all the skins fans who want to save the dosh and draft a new QB. the chances of us getting a good one are not high. and toss in the idea as well, that if you do dump kirk and draft a new QB and think you are saving money so you can put extra talent around the new QB, well you have lost at least your first round pick to get the QB and if there was any form of trade involved to get up to where we can get one of the best, probably more first and/or 2nd round picks. so this talent you are planning to put around the new guy, has already taken a massive hit. kirk stays and sure, it costs us but you can use that first round pick on talent. aside from the injuries, our latest 1st round picks, doctson and allen, are looking special.

i'd pay him.

[ElPuro]

3 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

the problems with kirk are that he is going to cost a bomb and no one knows if he wants to be there. assuming he does - and despite the way he has been treated by the skins FO and Dan and Bruce Allen - then they have to work out a deal. a third tag is insane, though there seems to be a lot of talk about just that????

one has to assume that the 49ers and rams are now out of the race, unless the garrapolo deal was to put in place a deal where the skins take him and the 49ers get kirk. but i guess there are plenty of other teams that might be keen and today, you can presumably add the giants.

i think he has now done more than enough to establish himself as one of the better QBs in the NFL. when you consider going to seattle and pulling off that win and a few others. we are 5-6 in spite of kirk, not because of him. the stats are really impressive, especially as he lost two 1000 yards WRs and got a near rookie and a reformed QB who has been hopeless. the top receiver/RB has now gone down injured. his top TE and fave target has been gone all year almost. they lost their top RB so he has had to rely on a rookie. and the much hyped O line has been horribly banged up. consider all that and he has been brilliant. currently 2nd in the NFL in yards, 5th in yards per attempt, 7th in completion %, 7th with a passing rating over 101, 7th with TDs, 1st with 32 plays over 25 yards (not bad given he lost djax, the game's leading deep threat). and he has put up terrific stats for several years now. he is far from perfect but he is very good. we won't do better.

but how much? will he simply be too expensive? the FO has stuffed this up massively. could have had him long term much cheaper but lowballed him. depending on guarantees etc, i think $25 mill is a minimum. perhaps even $28. for a lengthy period. but remember, any deal with kirk is going to be middle of the pack in a few years. it is the way contracts for QBs are headed.

we are not going to get anyone close in FA and who wants to roll the dice on drafting a top QB? the skins, pre kirk, have not drafted an elite QB since sammy baugh back in the 1700s. they just do not get it right, which makes me so puzzled by all the skins fans who want to save the dosh and draft a new QB. the chances of us getting a good one are not high. and toss in the idea as well, that if you do dump kirk and draft a new QB and think you are saving money so you can put extra talent around the new QB, well you have lost at least your first round pick to get the QB and if there was any form of trade involved to get up to where we can get one of the best, probably more first and/or 2nd round picks. so this talent you are planning to put around the new guy, has already taken a massive hit. kirk stays and sure, it costs us but you can use that first round pick on talent. aside from the injuries, our latest 1st round picks, doctson and allen, are looking special.

i'd pay him.

I tend to agree. I'm a fan of Cousins and his methodical approach to the game. Although he's not going to be the next Joe Montana, he has the core skills, works hard and seems to study harder. As a result,  he is very flexible on his targets,  making him more effective as a QB and less dependent on individual WRs, etc. A third franchise tag seems ridiculous, and I hope the FO now understands his first two seasons weren't a fluke. Issue for cousins now may be his age,  which may be a limiting factor tho look at Brady, that SOB.

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, ElPuro said:

I tend to agree. I'm a fan of Cousins and his methodical approach to the game. Although he's not going to be the next Joe Montana, he has the core skills, works hard and seems to study harder. As a result,  he is very flexible on his targets,  making him more effective as a QB and less dependent on individual WRs, etc. A third franchise tag seems ridiculous, and I hope the FO now understands his first two seasons weren't a fluke. Issue for cousins now may be his age,  which may be a limiting factor tho look at Brady, that SOB.

i don't have the issues with brady that many do. but otherwise i agree. we could easily get a good 8 to 10 years with kirk as our QB. wouldn't that just be fabulous for a change.

granted re montana, but then who is? what a great player.

for me, there are two elite QBs playing now - brady and rodgers.

then quite a few getting up there - wilson especially, kirk, brees, smith, big ben, early days but wentz looks good, ryan and cam.

mariota, stafford, winston and eli (was higher but now surely on the slide) pushing them.

and yes, i'm sure that there could be some shuffling here. and in 12 months, the list could look very different.

plenty of okay and some average QBs have got their teams to superbowls (come on down, rex grossman) so i don't swallow the line that kirk can't get us there, and win one. i think he is a superior QB to rypien and he not only won a superbowl but was part of one of the greatest teams of all time. people say rypien's great skill was the long ball - sure, i can understand that but he was throwing to a group of WRs that may have been the best trio ever - clark, sanders and art monk - all with 1000 yard seasons (and yes, i'm sure that can be debated as well). i could get great stats tossing to those guys. anyone doubts how good they were, just ask a bronco fan. kirk has a failed QB who is now a failed WR and a bloke who has played about 6 to 7 games thanks to injury.

if kirk has not done enough to get big dosh from us, lord knows what he has to do. and he'll get it from a conga line of teams.

 

[anacostiakat]

He has played very well this season.  Especially with the supporting cast and all the injuries.  He really doesn't have anything to prove at this point.  YMMV

[alloy]

Ok, Ken (and I AM a Skins fan-for 50 years now. Went to RFK and saw Sonny throw a TD to Walter (the flea) Roberts when I was a young lad  ), granted Capt. Kirk has all these impressive stats. Are there any stats on bone head plays like throwing to no one for a penalty (we can debate this all day long. Yet he still threw it). Throwing interceptions that should not have been thrown. And other plays where he could have won the game but didn't. 

I guess it comes down to what else is out there? Unless we could trade Capt. Kirk for Wentz.  So we put up with his averageness (is that a word?) If Danny the cheap azz idiot is willing to put up the bucks until the Skins put a team worthy of the fans to win?

[Danimalia]

I think this year has truly demonstrated just how screwed a team is without a serviceable QB. Kirk Cousins is more than serviceable. Likely a perennial Pro-Bowler. Unless Washington has a clear replacement, or is planning on blowing the whole thing up for a rebuild, they're in a position where they almost have to re-sign him. And to re-sign him, they are going to have to pay him so, so, so much money. Management really messed this up. Cousins has all the leverage, and based on how management has conducted themselves, he likely has zero incentive to cut them a break. 

[Dmpotocek]

Pay him. Full stop. End of story. He may never be great, but he is someone you can build a team around. I think he will continue to get better, and the longer we wait the more expensive (or devastating) his contract (or leaving) will be. The skins have never been afraid to spend the $$ in the past, and with Cousins under center we are a lot closer to becoming a competitive than we are without him.


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[Ken Gargett]

10 hours ago, alloy said:

Ok, Ken (and I AM a Skins fan-for 50 years now. Went to RFK and saw Sonny throw a TD to Walter (the flea) Roberts when I was a young lad  ), granted Capt. Kirk has all these impressive stats. Are there any stats on bone head plays like throwing to no one for a penalty (we can debate this all day long. Yet he still threw it). Throwing interceptions that should not have been thrown. And other plays where he could have won the game but didn't. 

I guess it comes down to what else is out there? Unless we could trade Capt. Kirk for Wentz.  So we put up with his averageness (is that a word?) If Danny the cheap azz idiot is willing to put up the bucks until the Skins put a team worthy of the fans to win?

everything said here on both sides of the argument can be supported and justified but i think we are in the position where we really do have to. provided he'll come here and that he does not want to run for the hills. dan S would make me want to run for the hills.

the only thing i will take some issue with - not that it matters - is that i assume the pass for the penalty to which you refer is the 2nd intentional grounding penalty in the saints game? two things - the officials have since come out and said it was the wrong call (doesn't make the play any better) but frustrating as that (and many other things) cost us a win there. secondly, i will not argue that there have been some dud plays, though i think they have become fewer, but i really think that one was on the receiver. i'm convinced he ran the wrong route and hence it looked like cousins was throwing to no one. cousins had already thrown one grounding and been pinged. i don't believe he is a stupid player, whatever else he might be, and i can't see him making the same error again in that situation. and it just looked like he expected the WR to be there.

[ElPuro]

Every quarterback makes bad plays, they're just amplified if it's your qb who is making them. 

22 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

i don't have the issues with brady that many do. 

 

 

My biggest issue is blatant jealousy. The guy's personal life probably sucks, but from the outside, it sure appears he's living the dream. Does it get much better? 

[alloy]

Well...well...the Skins just plain out suck. This team is just bad from the owner on down. Screw Cousins. Just blow up the F'n team. Become the next cleveland and get some help on the defense. Oh, never mind, Allen will just screw that up too.  

[Ken Gargett]

just an awful performance all round (that said, if not for kirk it could have been a massive loss - he has kept us in this season). more injuries, dodgy calls, dumb decisions - last week, someone runs the ball back into the endzone when chasing a punt. this week, on a kick off, the ball is bouncing around towards the line but instead of our bloke leaving it to restart at the 25, he tumbles about and picks it up on the half yard line and gets nowhere. dumb plays. goes back to the coaching. so many drops. so many missed tackles. ahhhh.

but in fairness to kirk - granted a couple of fumbles with one lost but in reality, most of us when faced with the dallas line shredding everything would giftwrap it and a couple of interceptions, but again, one deflected to a defender and the other literally dropped by a WR into the lap of a defender so not really kirk's fault - aside from those couple of disasters, he was very good under extreme pressure.

but someone bury bruce allen under the washington monument and never let him out.

[alloy]

It was a home game for the cow pies, but I saw holding on Kerrigan on just about every play. Yet no penalties were called. I guess two loser teams get loser refs.

And it was shown that Breeland cannot cover anybody.

Crowder was a disaster.

At least Grant and Doctson showed some spark.