get some issues with my humidor

[kinglingcheng]

my humidor was seasoned couple month ago with distilled water, 

i may over wet the inside of my humidor , so the digital hygrometer keep showing around 75-80 . After all i bough a electrical hygrometer from eBay, and show the same .

After 2 months been fixing over-seasoned problem with humidifier and wet cigars, now my humidor only showing around 59-60, and my cigars are dry .and damaged outside the wrappers,little bit damage on my Hoyo DC

should i season my humidor again , probably last seasoning time was 2 months ago ,  and how can i save my cigar lol 

 

[Bohn007]

@Piggy would ask first what is the ambient temperature in the humidor and outside it? Also what is the RH outside the humidor? If you are 60 degrees and 60%rh, you might be on the right track but if you are 75 degrees and 60%, that is a different animal. I am keeping my cigars at 68 degrees and 65%rh without problems. I think that you might just be overdoing it in both directions. Be patient and just take your time. What are you using to keep the humidity at a given level? Brovedo packs? Beads? Nothing? We probably need more info from you. 

[kinglingcheng]

@Bohn007  mate , my inside humidor 23.9 C 57% right now  , indoor temp around 25.4C right now  . i used to use Brovedo packs, but now i just  once a month season the humidifier by putting it in distilled water for like 5-10 mins. 

now it drops again between 52-58 depends if i frequency open humidor , leave for half an hour 

any suggestion?

 

 

[kwsaw63]

I suggest you go back to using Boveda packs or humidity beads. You will be able to maintain your humidity much better that way.

[kinglingcheng]

@kwsaw63 thanks mate 

 

 

[Bohn007]

10 hours ago, kinglingcheng said:

@Bohn007  mate , my inside humidor 23.9 C 57% right now  , indoor temp around 25.4C right now  . i used to use Brovedo packs, but now i just  once a month season the humidifier by putting it in distilled water for like 5-10 mins. 

now it drops again between 52-58 depends if i frequency open humidor , leave for half an hour 

any suggestion?

 

 

What is the Rh outside the humidor? How good is the seal in your humidor? Once the humidor is seasoned, the beads or Broveda packs should keep it good. You should not have to be reseasoning it afterwards

[Bohn007]

I would not be seasoning it. It will cause spikes in your Rh

[PigFish]

Re-seasoning is just a 'dose' of water, is it not?

While I have not thought about this much, I would have to say that you are cooking water out of your humidor faster than you are supplying it. You need to have a greater supply of water in order to balance the output. You have a classical input/output problem.

@Bohn007 is right on the money here.

Do you have an ice chest? If yes, does it fit the humidor? Then rather than wetting the humidor, perhaps you could isolate it awhile and reintroduce the Boveda packs, even provide the ice chest interior with extra water, in a cup or florist foam. The packs (I don't use them) have a hysteresis. This means that they are not 'real time' water support. They take time. They simply cannot keep up with the loss (apparently). So, limit the loss. How you do it is up to you. Seal the humidor better, or use a cooler. Your ambient is obviously driving your humidor outside of your ability to control it.

Perhaps this type of humidor is not suitable for you and your situation.

Best of luck! -Piggy

[kinglingcheng]

@Piggy   probably gonna buy couple packs of Beveda 72

[kinglingcheng]

@Bohn007  outside RH around 52% , probably i gonna buy some Broveda packs will help 

[El Presidente]

Many years ago I was in a walk in humidor in San Antonio Texas. 

The humidor held at 68% RH and 20 degrees Celsius and it as at the tail end of summer. He did have a generic aircon running. 

The humidor had a little wood paneling, held 3000 cigars from what I could tell and had a magnificent sandstone untreated  floor. 

I asked the manager how he kept such conditions? it was early morning and he had just opened. 

He said "follow me". 

Walked into to the humidor with a bucket of water and threw it on the sandstone floor in a wide arc.

I learnt something. Each location is unique. Don't overthink it. Do what works for you. 

 

 

 

 

[kinglingcheng]

@El Presidente hah ,thanks .  

[Bohn007]

7 hours ago, kinglingcheng said:

@Bohn007  outside RH around 52% , probably i gonna buy some Broveda packs will help 

I have Heartfelt Beads in my long term storage crates and have been real happy with them. You might want to check them out

[PigFish]

7 hours ago, kinglingcheng said:

@Piggy   probably gonna buy couple packs of Beveda 72

I am going to challenge you a bit here mate. What makes you think this is a good idea?

Folks this solution (IMHO) represents all that is wrong with not understanding a product. I don't see this as a solution Cheng!

Assuming you are already below the threshold of hysteresis of the Boveda Pack (BP) then what makes you think that you are going to get water delivery any fast from a 72 rH than a 65 rH?

Does Boveda supply information regarding the rate of delivery and recovery at differential rH and temperature numbers? I am not going to bother to look, but I doubt they have ever even thought about testing the hysteresis of these products. There is some logic to the Delta rH concept, but the question then is, are there other factors, the membrane, surface area, etc. that limit the output of the BP that you cannot control. I am guessing that there are.

Do what you want, but I would want a product that supplies more water in times of higher temperature and acts more like the cigars themselves and @Bohn007 has a good thought. Even water in florist foam is likely better than BP here.

Just because someone sells something does not mean it works, or works for every situation. Frankly, many of these products performance are grossly overestimated by the many that buy them. Funny how the answer almost alway is, you need to buy more!

So what are you going to do with 75rH BP when your system comes back in line? If you are going to buy more of a product that has already failed you, you should probably at least stick with what you intend on using in the future!!! MHO!

I would seal the humidor better! But if you are not going to do that, you need more free water. Re-seasoning means you put cigars in next to capillary water in the wood. Bad idea. But you need more water to balance output. You have been given some good ideas here, good luck working it out...

Cheers! -Piggy

[PigFish]

5 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Many years ago I was in a walk in humidor in San Antonio Texas. 

The humidor held at 68% RH and 20 degrees Celsius and it as at the tail end of summer. He did have a generic aircon running. 

The humidor had a little wood paneling, held 3000 cigars from what I could tell and had a magnificent sandstone untreated  floor. 

I asked the manager how he kept such conditions? it was early morning and he had just opened. 

He said "follow me". 

Walked into to the humidor with a bucket of water and threw it on the sandstone floor in a wide arc.

I learnt something. Each location is unique. Don't overthink it. Do what works for you. 

... I am picturing my cigars in the on-line humidor, under a dripping fire sprinkler...! -LOL

-Piggy

[Bohn007]

9 hours ago, kinglingcheng said:

@Piggy   probably gonna buy couple packs of Beveda 72

Why Boreda 72? Seems awefully high but of course, we all have had long discussion on the proper Rh in a humidor. I would suggest that you review some of the threads and consider a lower Rh. When I used to keep my cigars at 72%, that was when I started to notice mold forming

[kinglingcheng]

@Bohn007  thank you so much bro , i will review some of the comments ,  but Brodeva Bag only get 69/72% two versions, for a 50 counts cigar humidor with at least 20 counts inside, 69% will dry real quick  right ?

 

It was rainy yesterday , but the hygrometer drop to 49% 23.9C this morning , and i just get a box of 25 SLB , and  need storage real quick (age reason) 

[kinglingcheng]

@PigFish  thanks mate, i goona wait the storm ends in 2-3 days, it may help my humidor in some way haha. 

Probably i won't brother to buy the Brodeva Bag 69/72 %, cause it dry pretty quick  , i goona check that humidity beads maybe, see how it works, and right now i just put a small cup of distilled water(around 20ml) inside of humidity , so make sure it still works. 

Re-season probably not a good ideal to do so .  put cigars need a good balance inside of humidor 2 , thank you so much mate

[kinglingcheng]

@Bohn007  just checking the humidifier beads right now on amazon,  they don't have it here thus.  but i have to check YouTube see how it works .

[Bohn007]

24 minutes ago, kinglingcheng said:

@Bohn007  just checking the humidifier beads right now on amazon,  they don't have it here thus.  but i have to check YouTube see how it works .

Heartfelt Beads have a website that you can order directly from

[WhiteMamba]

You're free to do whatever you want but I recommend getting some of these heartfelt beads and either a nylon bag to put them in or some clean hose. 

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/proddetail.asp?prod=HB_05_65&cat=11

Then get rid of that leaky humidor and go for a tupperware or one of these https://www.walmart.com/ip/45630858?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227033584672&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=69448803632&wl4=pla-136417236512&wl5=1026847&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=45630858&wl13=&veh=sem I have two that are nearly full. They work great and hold humidity rock solid. They don't look fancy but they give you the peace of mind that your sticks are safe and at the humidity you want them. But like I said you're free to do whatever but thats my 2 cents.

[WhiteMamba]

http://www.cigarbeads.com these are also great I actually have moved over to using these rather than heartfelt. Just remembered. neither require much maintenance

[zeedubbya]

My best advice--don't overthink it like Prez says, and pay very close attention and do exactly what Pigfish says.

[kinglingcheng]

thanks all ya, find a temporary solution : bought a plastic storage box, and Brodeva bag 69%,  just clean it with pure water, and goona move all cigars and box in , with electrics hygrometer.  single cigar goona be putted in sandwich bags  

 

until i find whats wrong with humidor , all cigars and boxes goona be stored there 

 

thanks all ya 

[kinglingcheng]

@zeedubbya   @whitemamba  thanks